What do you believe will become of these tweets from when he was 17? Not trying to start a political debate but a stern reminder that what you do when you are 17 can come back to haunt you 7 years later. I will have this conversation with son today as a reminder.
https://www.usatoday.com/story...star-game/794751002/
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He was 17......stupid, yes.....but he was 17. The media is ridiculous. The fact they brought this crap up after the All Star game is pathetic if you ask me. If he was 18 or 19 and this had happened 2 years ago, yes, maybe an issue....but 8 years? C'mon there's no reason to be bringing this stuff back up now
he should be exiled with Heimlich, right folks?
My son is a 16 year old high schooler and I regularly check to make sure that there is nothing dumb associated to him. How is it that athletes that reach college and beyond haven't done the same (or had it done for them). Is there more to it than just a simple Google search? Or is it the case that the stuff can't be deleted?
PitchingFan posted:What do you believe will become of these tweets from when he was 17? Not trying to start a political debate but a stern reminder that what you do when you are 17 can come back to haunt you 7 years later. I will have this conversation with son today as a reminder.
https://www.usatoday.com/story...star-game/794751002/
I haven't read what he tweeted, but can say this much. I don't care what any 24 year old tweeted when they were 17.
hshuler posted:
Good for them. It's always easy for someone to apologize later on, when they have to.
Everyone tends to say stupid stuff, especially 17 year olds, but this wasn't stupid stuff.
We also have to remember that our children are products of their environment. The racist things he said came from somewhere.
K9 posted:My son is a 16 year old high schooler and I regularly check to make sure that there is nothing dumb associated to him. How is it that athletes that reach college and beyond haven't done the same (or had it done for them). Is there more to it than just a simple Google search? Or is it the case that the stuff can't be deleted?
I Joined Twitter in February 2010 as a 44 year-old... I remember it being sort of clunky, unpopular and nowhere near as useful or prominent as it is today...
It was 7 years ago, he was stupid, immature 17 year old... No excuse...
GaryMe posted:he should be exiled with Heimlich, right folks?
How is that comparable...?
Asking for a friend...
TPM posted:hshuler posted:Good for them. It's always easy for someone to apologize later on, when they have to.
Everyone tends to say stupid stuff, especially 17 year olds, but this wasn't stupid stuff.
We also have to remember that our children are products of their environment. The racist things he said came from somewhere.
I can only imagine the people your kids are then.
Teaching Elder posted:TPM posted:hshuler posted:Good for them. It's always easy for someone to apologize later on, when they have to.
Everyone tends to say stupid stuff, especially 17 year olds, but this wasn't stupid stuff.
We also have to remember that our children are products of their environment. The racist things he said came from somewhere.
I can only imagine the people your kids are then.
Actually, you never have anything to add of value to this site, I actually wonder why you come here, so I reported your post.
I will let others decide.
Like kyle boddy did in Twitter I question Why advisors/agents don't work for their money and scan the social media history of their clients before draft.
Dominik85 posted:Like kyle boddy did in Twitter I question Why advisors/agents don't work for their money and scan the social media history of their clients before draft.
How about personal responsibility for your actions? An agent shouldn’t have to do anything more than ask the player if there’s anything on social media that could harm him. If so, advise him to delete it.
GaryMe posted:he should be exiled with Heimlich, right folks?
There’s a big difference between admitted guilt of a crime and offensive opinions.
RJM posted:Teaching Elder posted:TPM posted:hshuler posted:Good for them. It's always easy for someone to apologize later on, when they have to.
Everyone tends to say stupid stuff, especially 17 year olds, but this wasn't stupid stuff.
We also have to remember that our children are products of their environment. The racist things he said came from somewhere.
I can only imagine the people your kids are then.
Offensive and uncalled for
Oh, don't white knight for her. She stated that kids are a product of their environment. Well, TPM is one of the most arrogant and condescending and self-absorbed people I and many others on here have had the displeasure of having to meet on line. If her son is anything like her, he'd be the last person that I or many others would want to have our sons play for.
Bolts-Coach-PR posted:GaryMe posted:he should be exiled with Heimlich, right folks?
How is that comparable...?
Asking for a friend...
I'm assuming it was sarcasm on his part.
Bolts-Coach-PR posted:GaryMe posted:he should be exiled with Heimlich, right folks?
How is that comparable...?
Asking for a friend...
Gut reaction on this ultra-conservative baseball forum is that nobody deserves a second chance...I see you have been around a while, maybe you just haven't been paying attention?
RJM posted:Dominik85 posted:Like kyle boddy did in Twitter I question Why advisors/agents don't work for their money and scan the social media history of their clients before draft.
How about personal responsibility for your actions? An agent shouldn’t have to do anything more than ask the player if there’s anything on social media that could harm him. If so, advise him to delete it.
That's like a certain President whose name rhymes with Rump saying "Well, he very strongly denied doing it...so I guess he didn't do it"
In the words of Reagan, the last great Republican "Trust but verify"
In other words, do more that the minimum as an agent/advisor.
These examples were not politically motivated, so don't sensor them Kim Jong Moderator
rynoattack posted:
Bolts-Coach-PR posted:GaryMe posted:he should be exiled with Heimlich, right folks?
How is that comparable...?
Asking for a friend...I'm assuming it was sarcasm on his part.
That Ryno guy...he a smart boy
GaryMe posted:so don't sensor them Kim Jong Moderator
Easiest thing to do before getting drafted is delete the account and start a new one for people to follow. I've seen more than a few draft picks doing that.
GaryMe posted:TPM posted:Teaching Elder posted:TPM posted:hshuler posted:Good for them. It's always easy for someone to apologize later on, when they have to.
Everyone tends to say stupid stuff, especially 17 year olds, but this wasn't stupid stuff.
We also have to remember that our children are products of their environment. The racist things he said came from somewhere.
I can only imagine the people your kids are then.
Actually, you never have anything to add of value to this site, I actually wonder why you come here, so I reported your post.
I will let others decide.
Quit being a ninny, he was being saucy...roll with the punches and don't be so soft.
Says the guy who sends F-bomb laden PMs because his skin is so thick. Douche.
Moderators note - I've gone through and cleaned up this thread - removing some posts that used offensive language, others that are personal attacks on other members, and a few that when viewed after the first two categories were eliminated were no longer relevant.
Let's try to keep this focused on the tweets please.
I am not going to research validity of everything on twitter, but some of the "Hader Tweets" that are being retweeted are fake.
I will check in more often. I just had my right hip replaced and so, I have not been reading this site today as I stayed in bed until now.
Some thoughts:
I have 13 alerts showing for this thread. I see another moderator has gone through and deleted some posts so I have lost some of the context of the alerts. However, I also have private messages with some of the content. Why would any of you go there? I am asking that you all think about your positions and judgement. Lets all agree to disagree. It won't become personal if I can help it. We can all learn from this thread.
Take care,
Darrell
I was shown one example of a tweet that is said to have come from him. Right or wrong, my opinion is that whoever chose to dig this up about him is just as much of a lowlife, or more, than him. Somebody has too much time on their hands. And if it's some journalist looking to make it big, to me that's even worse. Why can't we as a society look for the positive stuff about people? Why so negative all the time?
Hey CoachB25, hope everything's going well after surgery! Take care of yourself and follow instructions!
TPM posted:hshuler posted:Good for them. It's always easy for someone to apologize later on, when they have to.
Everyone tends to say stupid stuff, especially 17 year olds, but this wasn't stupid stuff.
We also have to remember that our children are products of their environment. The racist things he said came from somewhere.
Agreed, but environment is not just parents. A 17yo is often influenced more by his peers than by parents and teachers combined.
Don't know anything about this guy or his tweets or what he is like now, but it's possible to concieve of a kid coming under the sway of racist friends and later turning his back on them and their beliefs.
Bulldog 19 posted:I was shown one example of a tweet that is said to have come from him. Right or wrong, my opinion is that whoever chose to dig this up about him is just as much of a lowlife, or more, than him. Somebody has too much time on their hands. And if it's some journalist looking to make it big, to me that's even worse. Why can't we as a society look for the positive stuff about people? Why so negative all the time?
Hey CoachB25, hope everything's going well after surgery! Take care of yourself and follow instructions!
Bulldog, I ran into your Mom and Dad the other night. He did recognize me but was not sure since I have lost 55 lbs for the surgery. You have a great family! Your dad was a great coach on an outstanding staff. Oh, and there were some pretty special players there as well. LOL
A 17 year old can be charged with a crime as an adult and spend their entire life in jail. At the same time they are still not necessarily treated as adults. Either way if they step out of line they pay a price and the consequences can be steep such as losing the right to vote, not being able to join the military, risk to other jobs on background checks.
Simply put - you are responsible for your actions and words. There might be some forgiveness for youth - but not a free pass.
FWIW to suggest that sending something out something that says KKK in 2010 and trying to back away from it later ….just doesn't wash entirely. At a minimum it was meant to be provocative and at worst it is a mindset that is unacceptable.
The Truth as usual is probably in the middle somewhere and the needle of Hader's thoughts has probably moved over time. Either way he's over the line and claims of being 16 or 17 just isn't an excuse. By that time in life the bounds are pretty clear for this stuff and it was that way in 2010.
If he has changed as he claims - he should simply make his apology and then do the program as quickly & quietly as possible. Hope the mob moves on to the next outrage.
My opinion is that he doesn't get a pass on racism just because he was 17 no more than he could get a pass 10 years from now just because he was 24. They are both immature ages. Having said that, I'm more interested in who the young man is now and if he has grown. Those tweets are a fair reason to ask "who are you now?" Those tweets are a fair reason to scrutinize his current character, but not a fair reason to pre-judge his current character.
Bulldog 19 posted:I was shown one example of a tweet that is said to have come from him. Right or wrong, my opinion is that whoever chose to dig this up about him is just as much of a lowlife, or more, than him. Somebody has too much time on their hands. And if it's some journalist looking to make it big, to me that's even worse. Why can't we as a society look for the positive stuff about people? Why so negative all the time?
Hey CoachB25, hope everything's going well after surgery! Take care of yourself and follow instructions!
I'm a newspaper publisher. When my reporters interview someone, their first act these days is to scan all their social media. If they find something interesting, they write about it or ask about it in an interview. And in this day and age, racism or sexism is interesting. Hopefully, they don't find anything. That's where kids have to be smart about how they use social media, and parents and advisors smart about how they help kids clean up their history.
While not baseball, this article shows the slope is very slippery.
18 years old and loses a college wrestling scholarship. Seems like the school felt he was accountable:
https://m.sfgate.com/news/arti...mp;utm_medium=social
sucks to be him...serious lesson to be learned here. Someone tipped off those SLO rasslin' coaches and knew the impact it would have on the kid. Then the coaches decided to come off the top turnbuckle and put the kid in a sleeper hold...game over.
Looks like he deleted his twitter page too...where there is smoke...and he has had issues in the past with coaches it appears.
Definitely not comparable to heimlich because nobody was hurt long term.
Racism and homophobic stuff is terrible but it depends on whether he has changed. Some kids are just idiots, but maybe he was brainwashed by a right wing family or parroting an idiot friend.
It all depends on whether he truely changed or if he just fakes being non bigot now.
Dominik85 posted:Definitely not comparable to heimlich because nobody was hurt long term.
Racism and homophobic stuff is terrible but it depends on whether he has changed. Some kids are just idiots, but maybe he was brainwashed by a right wing family or parroting an idiot friend.
It all depends on whether he truely changed or if he just fakes being non bigot now.
Be careful. You’re implying right wing people are racists and homophobes.
RJM posted:Dominik85 posted:Definitely not comparable to heimlich because nobody was hurt long term.
Racism and homophobic stuff is terrible but it depends on whether he has changed. Some kids are just idiots, but maybe he was brainwashed by a right wing family or parroting an idiot friend.
It all depends on whether he truely changed or if he just fakes being non bigot now.
Be careful. You’re implying right wing people are racists and homophobes.
You're also implying that racism and "homophobic stuff" doesn't hurt anyone long term. It may not inflict physical harm, but mental harm can be just as devastating.
This thread is about to get off course again. I'm going to leave it open for now but imo, it has about run its course.
CoachB25 posted:This thread is about to get off course again. I'm going to leave it open for now but imo, it has about run its course.
I agree. Next political comment, and we're done here.
I was disappointed when I read those tweets Hader sent out. I know it was a few years ago. His family felt horrible. They actually had to hide the fact they were his family at the ASG. THAT should never happen. But HE did that to them. I used it as a teaching point to my kid. That is the main reason I am on Twitter and IG and social media...to make sure he isnt doing something he will regret. I always tell my son to never put anything on social media he would not want his mom or me seeing.
Hader ,fwiw, I am told is a pretty good kid but that doesnt excuse what he did. He accepted responsibilty so that is a good start. He came out really fast to try and put this to bed because I know he has embarrased himself and his family. When your son plays at his hometown in a professional All Star Game everyone wants to strut proudly that they are related to him. His actions were regrettable. Hopefully he has learned and grown as a man and he is a better person now.
Video of Hader’s news conference after meeting with his teammates.
