jr college dad looking for answers

Newman,
Welcome to the HSBBW.

To answer your questions.
1. Yes college coaches are very busy this time of year with fall practice and recruiting high school players for 2008.
2. The recruiting process remains the same as if your son was in HS. Your son needs to begin the process all over again, identyfying schools he is interested in and letting them know who he is. You cannot wait for a college coach to come watch you, unless he has information and is interested. Since he was a redshirt freshman, he needs to play at least one season, then I would suggest trying to make contacts or discussing it with his JUCO coach.
3. JUCO transfers are a valuable commodity if they can play at a 4 year level. Coaches always need experienced players, especially if they lose recruits or players from the draft.

Hope that this helps.

Thanks Tiger Paw. He can only play for 1 year since he will be graduating from Jr. College this spring. Correct? Are there any other other options for him to continue to play JC after this season?

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Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
Newman,
Welcome to the HSBBW.

Since he was a redshirt freshman, he needs to play at least one season, then I would suggest trying to make contacts or discussing it with his JUCO coach.

TPM. Since this young man has 4 years eligibility left and about one and one half years academics completed, couldn't he just transfer back to a D1 after this Fall semester if he got the attention of a D1 coach ?

Newman,

Regarding your question about what impact the new NCAA rules will have on your son as a JUCO transfer, just make sure he has enough transferable credits. When it comes time to transfer to the school he selects, check his transcripts because players will now need to be eligible for the fall semester to play in the spring staring next year. He will need enough transferable credits for the time he has already put in. If he's short credits for being an incoming junior he may have to sit out until he makes up those credits. Based on your info that he has already redshirted from the previous D1 some programs might be cautious to recruit him if they can't place him on a roster if he's short on credits with no option to redshirt.

Also, make sure the his academic counslers know what is required to transfer to the new school. Some counslers may give you incorrect information because they simply don't know what the transfer rules are for the new school or if some classes are transferable or not. Underwater basketweaving won't help him with transferring, so try to guide him towards classes that are tranferable to most universities.

Good luck!

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Originally posted by OLDSLUGGER8:

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Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
Newman,
Welcome to the HSBBW.

Since he was a redshirt freshman, he needs to play at least one season, then I would suggest trying to make contacts or discussing it with his JUCO coach.

TPM. Since this young man has 4 years eligibility left and about one and one half years academics completed, couldn't he just transfer back to a D1 after this Fall semester if he got the attention of a D1 coach ?

How can a player that has not played (redshirt) transfer to a new program? Any player transfering needs to show the coach (just like any recruited HS player) that he can play, if he gotten the attention of anyone, fine, but Newman was asking how to get attention, and to do so you need to PLAY.

I suggest remaining at the JUCO and putting in one season and try to show a coach you can play at the D1 level.

I know a player that went to a D1 school got no time in to play, and because of that had to transfer to a JUCO to basically start all over again.

With only being able to allow 35 on your roster, that would you do as a coach?

Newman, son should speak to the coach regarding this situation.

Where do you go to find out exactly how many credits you would have to have coming out of JUCO to be eligible to transfer - DI or DII.
Thanks

Thanks to everyone! Oldslugger8 brings up something I was also thinking about. Say a 4 year school DOES see him during the fall and likes what they see. Is there anything preventing him from transferring at the semester break and be eligible to play for a 4 year school this coming season? Once last thing (remember i said i had alot of questions in my original post!) Is he eligible for the upcoming June draft after 1 season in Jr. College? Thanks again!

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Is there anything preventing him from transferring at the semester break and be eligible to play for a 4 year school this coming season?

pretty sure he needs to graduate his JC to meet 4-2-4 transfer requirements
(you said he'd graduate in spring)

as a JC player/grad he should be draft eligible in spring '08

Many coaches at JC will recommend a player if he performs well. May not have to be seen. Some JC coaches like HS coaches have colleges they are tight with.
I believe Bee> is correct.

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Many coaches at JC will recommend a player if he performs well. May not have to be seen. Some JC coaches like HS coaches have colleges they are tight with.
I believe Bee> is correct.

From the NCAA:

If you started at a four-year school, then transferred to a two-year school and now want to
transfer to a four-year school, we refer to you as a 4-2-4 transfer. Generally, here are the rules
that apply to you.
4-2-4 and you want to go to Division I
If you are a qualifier…
Did you:
■ Complete an average of 12-semester or quarter credit hours for each term of full-time attendance that can be transferred toward your degree at the four-year college?
■ Earn a GPA of 2.000 in those transferable credit hours?
■ Graduate from the two-year college AND have one calendar year elapse after you left the four-year school?
Yes?

You can practice
You can receive financial aid
You can play right away during
the first year after you transfer*

No?
You can practice
You can receive financial aid
You cannot play until you complete one full academic year of residence*

* Additional progress-toward-degree rules from the NCAA, the conference or the school may affect whether you can play.

Still no reason to not start the process of contacting schools for next season.

thanks OldSlugger8 "NcaaRulesDatabase Man"

Excellent info Oldslugger. Thanks so much!

Thanks NCAA rules dad!

Best option, IMO, is work hard this fall, this spring and speak with the coach about options for fall of 2008.

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Originally posted by Newman1:
Excellent info Oldslugger. Thanks so much!

Hope he has a great Spring season, but I would start the contact right now to set the table and remind who you contact what got him to that D1 in the first place.

We're in the same boat. We've been selling ourselves. I bet my son has sent 30 emails and packets out. He's heard from a couple big name schools in email and they asked him to keep them up to date on how he does this fall. One saw him play this summer in the TCL and he took a visit there last week. They are interested in signing him early. Now he just has to decide if he takes their offer or waits to see what else is out there. It IS definitely like starting over as far as the process goes. He's got all those butterflies all over again.

Long Live: Is your son playing JC as a redshirt freshman or 2nd year JC player? Sounds like he took the "bull by the horns" and made it happen himself. How much has his Coach helped in the process? Are you seeing 4 year schools attending your scrimages against other JC's this fall? Best of luck to your son.

Newman, The rules OS posts is the difference in a JUCO transfer. If he was a qualifier, he only has to have 12 transferrable credit hours a semester. If he wasn't, he must graduate.

I would assume that he has kept in touch with any of the coaches that recruited him out of HS and hopefully any scouts that knew him. If not, now is the time to send them emails letting them know where he is.

It is also time for him to have conversations with his JUCO coach in regards to any coaches that may have contacted him. I would also suggest that he discuss with him how this particular coach assists in recruiting. Some JUCO coaches will have the stands packed with coaches and scouts. Others want to control to the last degree who is there not allowing the possibility of loosing a player early. Don't assume that the JUCO coach has your son's best interest at heart.

With that being said, your son should respect the JUCO coach and be sensitive to his position. If he does make it known that he's interested in leaving and might consider transferring at break, MAKE SURE that the coaches/scouts he talks to know that the JUCO coach isn't aware of that. I would also suggest that he inform the JUCO coach before he has serious conversations with someone else. It's a narrow wire that a student walks in this situation and you don't want your son being disrepectful to anyone nor ruining any opportunities for spring.

Is there a timeline for JUCO players to send letters or make calls ? My son has indicated that he is open to D1,D2 or NAIA and his coach said that he is getting calls but not who is calling. I hate to step on the coaches toes if he has some schools he likes to give the first look to.

I haven't posted for a while but I would like to express my appreciation for all of the good advice we have received on the HSBBweb. My son struggled with academics and conditioning in HS. He has since matured into a good student and a positive influence on his teammates. I credit some of that progress to advice I took from this website about the importance of grades and proper conditioning for pitchers. Thank You

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Originally posted by lafmom:
Newman, The rules OS posts is the difference in a JUCO transfer. If he was a qualifier, he only has to have 12 transferrable credit hours a semester. If he wasn't, he must graduate.

I would assume

These are what I posted from the NCAA

If you have been at a four-year school and now attend a two-year school …
If you started at a four-year school, then transferred to a two-year school and now want to
transfer to a four-year school, we refer to you as a 4-2-4 transfer. Generally, here are the rules
that apply to you.
4-2-4 and you want to go to Division I
If you are a qualifier…
Did you:
■ Complete an average of 12-semester or quarter credit hours for each term of full-time attendance that can be transferred toward your degree at the four-year college?
■ Earn a GPA of 2.000 in those transferable credit hours?
■ Graduate from the two-year college AND have one calendar year elapse after you left the four-year school?
Yes?

You can practice
You can receive financial aid
You can play right away during
the first year after you transfer

No?

You can practice
You can receive financial aid
You cannot play until you complete one full academic year of residence*
* Additional progress-toward-degree rules from the NCAA, the conference or the school may affect whether you can play.


If you are a nonqualifier …
Did you:
■ Complete an average of 12-semester or quarter credit hours for each term of full-time attendance that can be transferred toward your degree at the four-year college?
■ Earn a GPA of 2.000 in those transferable credit hours?
■ Graduate from the two-year college AND have one calendar year elapse after you left the four-year school?
Yes?

You can practice
You can receive financial aid
You can play right away during
the first year after you transfer*

No?

You can practice if you have completed one academic year in all your colleges combined
You can receive financial aid from your school if you have completed one academic year in all your colleges combined
You cannot play until you complete one full academic year of residence*
* Additional progress-toward-degree rules from the NCAA, the conference or the school may affect whether you can play.

The rules that were cut and pasted were from the NCAA for qualifiers under the 4-2-4 rule. I never asked any specifics about this young man, nor do I have the right to, and never assumed.

The rules are there in black and white. Thats all that applies in this case without guessing.

It appears this request was to see if a possibility exists to finish the Fall semester, thus having a combined 3 semesters completed, then transfer to D1 for the Spring 2008 season.

If all 3 criteria are required, i.e and/or, then it is subject to interpretation.

OS, the rules are basically the same for a player that transfers into JUCO as they were for the HS JUCO player. The challenge comes in that rather than transferring after only one semester at JUCO, a 4-yr transfer would have to stay at JUCO for at least one year. Other than that, all requirements are the same. I think I see what you're calling attention to and that is Newman's son only transferred this fall. I think that's correct? In that case, I believe you're right and he couldn't transfer back out this winter. Hopefully, I've got all these dates correct!?!??!

Reminder - these transfer rules being talked about would only apply to NCAA - and probably only DI. NAIA has it's own rules about transfers which would basically have to do with the number of transferrable hours the JUCO student has taken I believe.

being were talking transfer rules does it differ if the player started at a 2-year school and wants to transfer to a 4-year div-2 school. my son has started his second year at a juco college but won't have enough credits to graduate till the end of the fall semester 2008.

plash
if you were a d1 qualifier out of hs then you don't need a diploma, but you do need enough transferable credits. if you wer not a qualifier out of hs you need the diploma.

newman
you asked if your son can play another year of juco ball after graduation. i believe he can just take enough credits to qualify under the njcaa rules. jc have lots of continueing ed. worth a call to them.

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Originally posted by Newman1:
Long Live: Is your son playing JC as a redshirt freshman or 2nd year JC player? Sounds like he took the "bull by the horns" and made it happen himself. How much has his Coach helped in the process? Are you seeing 4 year schools attending your scrimages against other JC's this fall? Best of luck to your son.

He was not a redshirt - it's just the first school was not a good fit. We went JUCO to get that fall and spring ball experience and get better. They play a LOT of ball! He will have to graduate from there this year to move on to another 4-year. To answer your other question - yes, lots of 4-year schools have been in attendance at his fall games. The current coach has many contacts and he does make and receive calls on the player's behalf. We started sending things out though before he ever got started this year and let coaches out there know he was available again. Hope this helps. Good luck to your son!

Thanks Long Live! And best of luck to your son as well.