JUCO changing to another Division

wow thats an interesting scenario. I am interested in seeeing the resposes for this question.

YGD,
The short answer-- I don't know. You should call the NCAA.

Anyway, I assume that you are referring to a school which offers both 2 year and 4 year degrees (associate and bachelor), but baseball has been functioning as a two year program with membership in the NJCAA or other JUCO affiliation. Next year the school's baseball program will be affiliated with the NAIA, and the baseball program will be for 4 years.

The crux of the issue seems to be whether a player who transfers to a NCAA school at the conclusion of next year's season is considered to be a 2-4 transfer or a 4-4. Note that being a NAIA school is not different from a NCAA school from the point of view of a transfer. The 4-4 rule doesn't distinguish among the various divisions that a player may transfer from; instead it only concerns itself with the division to which he is transferring.

Roughly speaking, for D3 or D2 schools, 2-4 or 4-4 isn't too important, assuming no previous transfer. If the ruling is that it is a 2-4 transfer, fine. If it is deemed a 4-4 transfer, then the one-time exception will apply. Either way, the player needs to meet academic progress requirements.

For D1, it does matter, because D1 has largely eliminated the one-time 4-4 transfer exception for baseball players, and the player probably would have to sit for a year. I guess that it would be possible to get a waiver for D1, since the player initially started out and planned for a two year degree.

Now, if the player has previously transferred from a 4 year school to the 2 year program, the plot thickens. If the third school is D2, and they deem the second school to be two year, no problem. If they deem it a 4 year school, then the one-time exception won't work, and the player would have to sit out. If D1, the transfer is is either a 4-2-4 or a 4-4-4. A 4-2-4 can play without sitting, but would need an AA degree. Of course 4-4-4 would have to sit out. Again, I speculate that a waiver which would treat the second school as a two year would be possible.

The whole issue would be much more definite if we knew whether the NCAA would grandfather existing players and treat them as two year transfers.

Thanks 3 for the time and your response.

The JUCO he is currently at is a 2yr program (for academics) and offers AA's.

I would also assume that in order for him to transfer to a D1 or D2 after this freshman year at JUCO that he also would have to be a Qualifier...correct? I just assumed that was a given. However, with this new scenario would or could it be waived...?? hmmmmm

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Originally posted by YoungGunDad:
The JUCO he is currently at is a 2yr program (for academics) and offers AA's.

I'm confused. Is the school currently a 2 year school which is changing next year to a 4 year school and joing the NAIA? Or is the player thinking of transferring to a NAIA school for his sophomore year?

I reluctant to try to answer questions about the "new scenario" until there is a clear description of that scenario.

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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:

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Originally posted by YoungGunDad:
The JUCO he is currently at is a 2yr program (for academics) and offers AA's.

I'm confused. Is the school currently a 2 year school which is changing next year to a 4 year school and joing the NAIA? Or is the player thinking of transferring to a NAIA school for his sophomore year?

I reluctant to try to answer questions about the "new scenario" until there is a clear description of that scenario.

He is at a 2yr school (JUCO) now which is changing to a 4yr NAIA conference next season.