how about a little dicussion on good juco/d3/naia schools in texas? I got a good kid ,100% all the time and hates to lose. great glove,not great speed though, wants to go to school and play ball/2009
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D3 - UT-Tyler, not a better D3 program in the state. HNR Mention, McMurray, Hardin-Simmons.
NAIA - Texas Wesleyan, have had a couple of real good years back to back. With Rusty Greer coming on as an assistant, shouldn't they get better? HNR Mention, Northwood University
JUCO - Too many good one's to list here. I have my favorites, but there are only a few I'd say to stay away from. Won't say that here though.
I just emailed about 85 schools (D 1, D 2, D 3, NAIA, and JUCO) for my top players. Used last year's stats, summer ball stats, listed who they play for in summer ball, 40/60 times etc. I have received lots of good feedback from the coaches so hopefully it will help my kids in their quest to play after high school.
NAIA - Texas Wesleyan, have had a couple of real good years back to back. With Rusty Greer coming on as an assistant, shouldn't they get better? HNR Mention, Northwood University
JUCO - Too many good one's to list here. I have my favorites, but there are only a few I'd say to stay away from. Won't say that here though.
I just emailed about 85 schools (D 1, D 2, D 3, NAIA, and JUCO) for my top players. Used last year's stats, summer ball stats, listed who they play for in summer ball, 40/60 times etc. I have received lots of good feedback from the coaches so hopefully it will help my kids in their quest to play after high school.
I hope my young son is fortunate enough to have a high school coach like you, funneldrill. I know mine couldnt have cared less about my future.
Well, if you have great academics, and are looking at the best DIII's in Texas, you have to consider Trinity, along with Austin College and Southwestern.
Trinity has been in the West Regional in 2002, 2004/2006 and 2008, being one game from the CWS in 2002, 2004 and again in 2008.
In addition, they have had players drafted in 2004, 2005, and again in 2008. Each draftee has done very well in Milb.
You will also find a coaching staff which does a wonderful job of getting their kids placed into the best Summer Wood bat leagues, including the Cape league.
Trinity has been in the West Regional in 2002, 2004/2006 and 2008, being one game from the CWS in 2002, 2004 and again in 2008.
In addition, they have had players drafted in 2004, 2005, and again in 2008. Each draftee has done very well in Milb.
You will also find a coaching staff which does a wonderful job of getting their kids placed into the best Summer Wood bat leagues, including the Cape league.
I can't comment on any other programs other than ones I'm familiar with firsthand. I will say, as far as D-I JUCOs go, North Central Texas College has been a great fit for my kid.
Nobody is ever going to confuse Gainesville, Texas, with Gainesville, Fla., but as far as the academics and the baseball go - no complaints at all.
From what I've seen myself, the majority of players leave there better ballplayers than when they arrived. And Coach Harp has a significant track record of having his players move on to continue playing ball - college or pro - after their two years at NCTC.
Nobody is ever going to confuse Gainesville, Texas, with Gainesville, Fla., but as far as the academics and the baseball go - no complaints at all.
From what I've seen myself, the majority of players leave there better ballplayers than when they arrived. And Coach Harp has a significant track record of having his players move on to continue playing ball - college or pro - after their two years at NCTC.
quote:Originally posted by infielddad:
Well, if you have great academics, and are looking at the best DIII's in Texas, you have to consider Trinity, along with Austin College and Southwestern.
Trinity has been in the West Regional in 2002, 2004/2006 and 2008, being one game from the CWS in 2002, 2004 and again in 2008.
In addition, they have had players drafted in 2004, 2005, and again in 2008. Each draftee has done very well in Milb.
You will also find a coaching staff which does a wonderful job of getting their kids placed into the best Summer Wood bat leagues, including the Cape league.
My bad, can't believe I left off Trinity and Southwestern. Those are both very good places to play and especially go to school. Lots of travel in that conference, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
Hawkman you have a pm.
Beast,
You have one in return
You have one in return
Hawkman, that was a big help. Thanks.
Thanks to all, My son has waited for this time for years. We do not have anyone knocking on the door, the kid just wants to play ball. I know thats not enough but he has a dang good glove and goes 100%.
We will need aid and will find that. Boy what a ride.
Thanks
We will need aid and will find that. Boy what a ride.
quote:Originally posted by funneldrill:
D3 - UT-Tyler, not a better D3 program in the state. HNR Mention, McMurray, Hardin-Simmons.
NAIA - Texas Wesleyan, have had a couple of real good years back to back. With Rusty Greer coming on as an assistant, shouldn't they get better? HNR Mention, Northwood University
JUCO - Too many good one's to list here. I have my favorites, but there are only a few I'd say to stay away from. Won't say that here though.
I just emailed about 85 schools (D 1, D 2, D 3, NAIA, and JUCO) for my top players. Used last year's stats, summer ball stats, listed who they play for in summer ball, 40/60 times etc. I have received lots of good feedback from the oaches so hopefully it will help my kids in their quest to play after high school.
It is so refreshing to hear you say that you, the coach I assume, e-mailed 85 colleges on behalf of your players. Wouldn't it be nice if all high school coaches did that instead of just worrying about winning a state championship and not caring about what happens to the players after high school?! Kudos to you!!
D3 Coach James Vilade and UT-Tyler. If you want your son to not only get a great education and the best baseball coach in the Division. He has a great track record for the draft, summer leagues, and producing "men" along with great baseball players.
Give him a call and you'll never look back!
Give him a call and you'll never look back!
david,
Coach Vilade has done a wonderful job at UT Tyler.
But there are some great DIII programs in Texas and some equally terrific coaches.
When you put their records side by side for academics, baseball success, summer league placement and success, success with the draft, and the quality of person coming out of their programs, Coach Scannell at Trinity and Coach Vilade get similar very successful results.
The only major difference is the admissions requirements at Trinity make it substantially more difficult for Coach Scannell to get the players into his program that can achieve those types of results.
Coach Vilade has done a wonderful job at UT Tyler.
But there are some great DIII programs in Texas and some equally terrific coaches.
When you put their records side by side for academics, baseball success, summer league placement and success, success with the draft, and the quality of person coming out of their programs, Coach Scannell at Trinity and Coach Vilade get similar very successful results.
The only major difference is the admissions requirements at Trinity make it substantially more difficult for Coach Scannell to get the players into his program that can achieve those types of results.
quote:Originally posted by davidb:
D3 Coach James Vilade and UT-Tyler. If you want your son to not only get a great education and the best baseball coach in the Division. He has a great track record for the draft, summer leagues, and producing "men" along with great baseball players.
Give him a call and you'll never look back!
I coached a player, Jared Hood, who is attending UT Tyler and playing ball there.
Jared was one of my most favorite players to coach and played 110% every play and expected his teamates to do the same. He was a real team leader.
He has been extremely satisfied with his experience at UT Tyler. Coming from Jared, that says a lot about the coaching staff there.
We loved Grayson County College in Dennison. Of course, it didn't hurt we won the JUCO World Series there last year and that makes me have biased thoughts. 
I'll echo the sentiments about James Vilade at UT-Tyler. He is a very good coach and a good man. I would be happy for any player of mine to have the chance to play for him. Plus he's a heck of a PR man - look at the facilities he has gotten built down ther in just a few years.
If your son wants to continue to play baseball at the JC level and is not sure he will get PT at North Central or Grayson, I would highly recommend Eastfield College. They have been the 2001 and 2006 D-3 JC National Champs and Coach Martin is a good coach and a good guy.
Totally agree about Coach Martin at Eastfield. He is a stand up guy and does a great job. Played against him in high school in the playoffs. Coach Martin played for the great Bob Rombach at Duncanville.
quote:It is so refreshing to hear you say that you, the coach I assume, e-mailed 85 colleges on behalf of your players. Wouldn't it be nice if all high school coaches did that instead of just worrying about winning a state championship and not caring about what happens to the players after high school?! Kudos to you!!
eassyyy txmom.... i would think that it is the high school coaches job to try and win the state championship (or go as far as they can) every year.. isn't that the ultimate goal? I mean part of his job is to coach the team... it is not an optimist league....
maybe a baseball coach is busy with his students in the classroom as well... surly he teaches a certain subject... all coaches don't teach health and P.E.... if it is "his" job to contact all the colleges for your son to get him an athletic scholarship... who's job is it to contact all the colleges to get your son an academic scholarship - all his classroom teachers? Call me crazy, but maybe the student should do the footwork to get his info out there... builds character...
kudos to any coach that does what funneldrill does, which i believe is above and beyond the call of his duty,
txmom, congrats to you if you are not in the 90 percentile of parents (who i truly believe are the root to all evil in youth sports today) who are constantly bad mouthing h.s. coaches and complaining about them "not winning enough games." but the bottom line is that it is his job to shoot for the stars in his sport.... just like in his classroom he wants everyone to succeed, but he shouldn't have to contact all the colleges to help out with academic scholarships...
oddly enough if you don't win enough in this state you can't keep a football job, no matter how good of a classroom teacher you are, because there will be parents calling for your head because you didn't win....
sometimes you are ****ed if you do and ****ed if you don't....
But, JMO...
I agree with El Diablo in that, if we (I) don't win here, then I would bet they'll be looking for a new coach. Of course, every place is different, especially when it comes to "politics." I have seen successful coaches get run out of town for (cough, cough), "politcal reasons."
In my program, myself, the players, and the parents are all on the same team. Now, are we going to agree 100% of the time on EVERYTHING...no and that is not very realistic. The one thing that I hope my players and parents can say about me is that I work hard for all my players both on and off the field. This is what I expect of them, so I think this is what they should get from me.
Now, the parents and players need to be proactive themselves in regards to the recruiting process. They also need to be realistic. If they throw 79, don't expect me to contact the coaches at Rice, Texas, A&M etc. This is a big reason why I test my players, to give them and their parents feedback. Not only for recruiting, but for why they have the role that the have on the team.
I have some good handouts for parents that I will be handing out at our next booster club meeting. If anyone is interested I can get them to you. Also, Coppell has some great stuff on their website regarding recruiting. Just do a google search for their website and you will find it.
In my program, myself, the players, and the parents are all on the same team. Now, are we going to agree 100% of the time on EVERYTHING...no and that is not very realistic. The one thing that I hope my players and parents can say about me is that I work hard for all my players both on and off the field. This is what I expect of them, so I think this is what they should get from me.
Now, the parents and players need to be proactive themselves in regards to the recruiting process. They also need to be realistic. If they throw 79, don't expect me to contact the coaches at Rice, Texas, A&M etc. This is a big reason why I test my players, to give them and their parents feedback. Not only for recruiting, but for why they have the role that the have on the team.
I have some good handouts for parents that I will be handing out at our next booster club meeting. If anyone is interested I can get them to you. Also, Coppell has some great stuff on their website regarding recruiting. Just do a google search for their website and you will find it.
Big mistake to rely on a coach when it comes to recruiting.
Our coach was telling colleges my son was signing with a certain college. We had an offer from them and were talking to them but we hadn't signed. the coach was turning away colleges so I informed him we were still open to offers.
We found our own programs and had specific qualifivcations that we were trying to meet. Hot weather, great city (under line city),good competition and a good education were the main qualities. The coach had no idea what we wanted. When we told him we signed he was a litle putout and said "finally" with a funny look on his face. My son had to spend 4 years at the college and it was his choice.
Our coach was telling colleges my son was signing with a certain college. We had an offer from them and were talking to them but we hadn't signed. the coach was turning away colleges so I informed him we were still open to offers.
We found our own programs and had specific qualifivcations that we were trying to meet. Hot weather, great city (under line city),good competition and a good education were the main qualities. The coach had no idea what we wanted. When we told him we signed he was a litle putout and said "finally" with a funny look on his face. My son had to spend 4 years at the college and it was his choice.
Bobblehead,
I agree with you, don't just rely on the coach. I am only part of the process. I see myself as a resource for the kids that I coach and their parents. Hopefully the kid plays in a good select program that goes to the right showcases so he can showcase his talent. Hopefully that select coach has good contacts at the next level.
The ultimate decision has to come from the kid and the parents. You are right when you say that the kid has to spend 4 years there. Not to mention that it is your money that he will be spending.
I agree with you, don't just rely on the coach. I am only part of the process. I see myself as a resource for the kids that I coach and their parents. Hopefully the kid plays in a good select program that goes to the right showcases so he can showcase his talent. Hopefully that select coach has good contacts at the next level.
The ultimate decision has to come from the kid and the parents. You are right when you say that the kid has to spend 4 years there. Not to mention that it is your money that he will be spending.
In our case the HS coaches had nothing to do with BB recruiting. It was the elite teams that were involved . Those coaches did field most of the calls and they hosted tournaments and showcases. College coaches would usually approach them. Mostly cold weather colleges but a few in Georgia NC and a couple other warm areas. We were looking further south, Florida and Nevada. We pretty much had decided to do our own marketing from the beginning. I had,as a 16-18 year old player, a large collection of video that I edited and made into a DVD. I sent this out to prospective colleges. I totally avoided any questions about coaches etc. You just never know what they will say. They seemed put out that we turned down offers that they had arranged.
What would be interesting to know is...
Out of all 4A and 5A high school varsity baseball programs...(didn't use 3A and lower because I believe it would skew the number drastically)
What percentage of players actually go on and play college baseball?
Then, what percentage actually get some sort of athletic scholarship to play baseball?
With those percentages, compare it to the time spent by all 4A and 5A HS players and parents attempting the college baseball placement process.
Out of all 4A and 5A high school varsity baseball programs...(didn't use 3A and lower because I believe it would skew the number drastically)
What percentage of players actually go on and play college baseball?
Then, what percentage actually get some sort of athletic scholarship to play baseball?
With those percentages, compare it to the time spent by all 4A and 5A HS players and parents attempting the college baseball placement process.
quote:Out of all 4A and 5A high school varsity baseball programs...(didn't use 3A and lower because I believe it would skew the number drastically)
What percentage of players actually go on and play college baseball?
I think it depends on the program. In San Antonio, there are many 4A and 5A programs that have NO players going on to play college ball. Contrast that with my son's 5A high school, which had seven '07 grads go on to play college ball and five '08 grads move on to college ball. I'm sure there are many high school programs in the Houston, D-FW, and Austin areas with annual playoff experience and similar recruiting successes. For starters at those programs, it's probably reasonable for them to try and reach the next level.
quote:Originally posted by Infield08:quote:Out of all 4A and 5A high school varsity baseball programs...(didn't use 3A and lower because I believe it would skew the number drastically)
What percentage of players actually go on and play college baseball?
I think it depends on the program. In San Antonio, there are many 4A and 5A programs that have NO players going on to play college ball. Contrast that with my son's 5A high school, which had seven '07 grads go on to play college ball and five '08 grads move on to college ball. I'm sure there are many high school programs in the Houston, D-FW, and Austin areas with annual playoff experience and similar recruiting successes. For starters at those programs, it's probably reasonable for them to try and reach the next level.
So what would you say the percentages are of 4A and 5A HS baseball players in the state of Texas that move on to play college baseball?
How about a rough guess?
quote:Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:quote:Originally posted by Infield08:quote:Out of all 4A and 5A high school varsity baseball programs...(didn't use 3A and lower because I believe it would skew the number drastically)
What percentage of players actually go on and play college baseball?
I think it depends on the program. In San Antonio, there are many 4A and 5A programs that have NO players going on to play college ball. Contrast that with my son's 5A high school, which had seven '07 grads go on to play college ball and five '08 grads move on to college ball. I'm sure there are many high school programs in the Houston, D-FW, and Austin areas with annual playoff experience and similar recruiting successes. For starters at those programs, it's probably reasonable for them to try and reach the next level.
So what would you say the percentages are of 4A and 5A HS baseball players in the state of Texas that move on to play college baseball?
How about a rough guess?
Ken,
According to the "2008-2009 Parent Information Manual" put out by UIL, (http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/manuals/pdf/parent_information.pdf) (page 12), the percentage of all High School Baseball players that go on to compete at the NCAA level is 5.6%. Simple math would say that if you had an all senior varsity team of 20 players, one player/team would have an opportunity. If you had only 10 seniors, then only 1/2 player/team would qualify. Of course that varies based on the talent within the given program. I'm fairly sure this does not include NJCAA(JUCO) or NAIA schools.
Not that many opportunities in the big picture.
Totally rough guess -- less than 5% of ALL 4A and 5A baseball players. (Maybe less than 2-3%) However, if you're a starter for a perennial 4A or 5A district champion, I would venture to say your chances look quite a bit more promising -- maybe 30% to 50% or higher?
KG, I'm curious to know your thoughts on this.
KG, I'm curious to know your thoughts on this.
quote:Originally posted by NTXDAD:
Ken,
According to the "2008-2009 Parent Information Manual" put out by UIL, (http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/manuals/pdf/parent_information.pdf) (page 12), the percentage of all High School Baseball players that go on to compete at the NCAA level is 5.6%.
Pretty close to what I thought.
quote:If you had only 10 seniors, then only 1/2 player/team would qualify.
Good point there.
quote:Of course that varies based on the talent within the given program. I'm fairly sure this does not include NJCAA(JUCO) or NAIA schools.
Your probably right. So let's just take that number up to 10% for topic sake including DII's- JUCO's.
Now, throw in the fact that many of these seniors that play baseball their freshman year in college don't get much passed that. Different circumstances and life changes start reducing that 10% number quickly.
quote:
Not that many opportunities in the big picture.
EXACTLY....
So why so much emphasis on the recruiting process, the responsibility of HS coaches, or summer ball programs?
Why invest so much into something that's highly unlikely to begin with?
I'm not one for deminishing dreams and aspirations, but reality always has been key in my everyday decisions.
I just wonder where all that stands with parents of todays HS baseball player.
For all I know, all posters here are parents of those 10%er's.
I just wish other High School coaches were like FD...
quote:Originally posted by Maverick0714:
I just wish other High School coaches were like FD...
I think there are many HS coaches that are like FD.
But summer programs and venues have made it their interest of late.
Right or wrong, money motivates much of what goes on in the world.
Obviously there are high profits available for organizations and venues that promote their ability to help with desires of parents and players of amatuer baseball.
I don't think HS athletics have made it their objective to gain profits through athletics. More so to gain profit to support their athletic programs.
But KG... all the parents "think" their son is going to a D-1 school... and then probably get to play a little pro ball....
ALL the players could earn more in academic scholarships anyway, and it is there for 100% of H.S. grads...
but parents would rather gripe about how their coach didn't do this for them or that for them... when in reality, if their son can play... he will get an opportunity somewhere....
typically, the parent that gripes about heir kid getting "hosed" was just a parent who couldn't see the forest because of the trees....
But, JMO... and no I don't coach in high shool or teach in high school.. just calling a spade a spade...
ALL the players could earn more in academic scholarships anyway, and it is there for 100% of H.S. grads...
but parents would rather gripe about how their coach didn't do this for them or that for them... when in reality, if their son can play... he will get an opportunity somewhere....
typically, the parent that gripes about heir kid getting "hosed" was just a parent who couldn't see the forest because of the trees....
But, JMO... and no I don't coach in high shool or teach in high school.. just calling a spade a spade...
Art goes way above and beyond the normal HS coach, but I don't condemn them at all.
They have to coach baseball and teach classes. Many are also assistant football coaches or scout future opponents on Friday nights.
Most have to maintain the field since budgets are tight. They must maintain the equipment, order uniforms, etc.
And I would think a vast majority answer college coaches' to the best of their ability in order to help the player.
They have to coach baseball and teach classes. Many are also assistant football coaches or scout future opponents on Friday nights.
Most have to maintain the field since budgets are tight. They must maintain the equipment, order uniforms, etc.
And I would think a vast majority answer college coaches' to the best of their ability in order to help the player.
And heaven forbid they spend some time with their own families.
Amen Tycho!
quote:Many are also assistant football coaches or scout future opponents on Friday nights.
"Many" is probably conservative, tycho.
quote:Originally posted by FormerObserver:quote:Many are also assistant football coaches or scout future opponents on Friday nights.
"Many" is probably conservative, tycho.
Agree, I would definitely say that it is "most". I am very lucky to be baseball only.
I too am a baseball only guy, and very lucky indeed.
FD,
Hypothetical question: If you have a player that is comparatively average on a sub par team, when/if the colleges ask about him, how do you answer? Do coaches discount the worth of players of which they might not be amicable? Do coaches ever tell their players something personal about themselves that might not be changeable due to genetics? (i.e. you’re not the right size or build. Your projectability isn't good enough for the next level?)
When I was coaching, the athletic director told all head coaches that if they had a player that came to them wanting to play at the next level then they better do everything they could to make it happen. Ultimately, we were there for the kids. Is this still the philosophy? This AD was asked how a head coach was to promote an athlete they didn't think deserved/belonged at the next level. His response was, "Then how did he/she make your high school team?"
Do you think the college coaches/recruiters are honest with high school coaches and players while recruiting?
Just fodder to mull. No one wants to be hoodwinked.
Hypothetical question: If you have a player that is comparatively average on a sub par team, when/if the colleges ask about him, how do you answer? Do coaches discount the worth of players of which they might not be amicable? Do coaches ever tell their players something personal about themselves that might not be changeable due to genetics? (i.e. you’re not the right size or build. Your projectability isn't good enough for the next level?)
When I was coaching, the athletic director told all head coaches that if they had a player that came to them wanting to play at the next level then they better do everything they could to make it happen. Ultimately, we were there for the kids. Is this still the philosophy? This AD was asked how a head coach was to promote an athlete they didn't think deserved/belonged at the next level. His response was, "Then how did he/she make your high school team?"
Do you think the college coaches/recruiters are honest with high school coaches and players while recruiting?
Just fodder to mull. No one wants to be hoodwinked.
Collikar,
What I tell my players is, if you can play at the 5A level, then you can play at the college level. Now, it may not be at a place you have heard of, but there is a place for you.
I am honest with my kids and their parents. If a kid is D 3 at best, that is what I'll tell them. If I have a kid that wants to play college baseball, I'll do everything I can for them. I don't think that college baseball is for everyone though. I mean, it requires total commitment and a total love of the game. If you don't have those two things...along with the physical tools...then you won't last!
6am - Weights and conditioning
9am-Noon - Classes
1pm-4pm - practice
5-7pm - Study hall
(this is not necessarily everywhere)
Had a kid that played for me that went to Texas. He and his room mate missed a 6am workout once...ONCE! Next morning, at about 3:30am, conditioning coach knocks on their door, drags them out of bed, takes them to Darrell K. Royal, Texas Memorial Stadium, and has them run bleachers on the home side. You ever been to a football game there? That is a lot of steps! Then when they were done, they went to their regularly scheduled 6am workout. You gonna quit and give up that scholarship to Texas??? No, you're going to get your you know what out of bed and get to workout.
To answer your hypothetical, college coaches ask about tools. I will answer their questions, but without "overselling" the kid. The last thing I can do is oversell. If I oversell a kid and he shows nothing, then I lose credibility with that coach and all my future players will suffer because of it. They ask about attitude, coachability, academics. If a kid is real good, but has "underachieved" in the class room, then when I talk to the recruiting coordinator from say, Stanford, I have to tell him "coach, you can't recruit him because of his grades." When I do talk to Coach Stolz from Stanford though, he usually asks me about academics first, second at the latest.
Most football guys I have been around tell the head coaches in other sports that he expects them to help their kids get to college.
As for the honesty of college coaches, it depends. I have dealt with some that don't tell the truth. I have dealt with some that have gotten furious with me because I did not help them get one of my kids. Most though, are upfront and honest. They can't afford not to be. Why? Because of message boards like this, bad news travels very fast these days.
What I tell my players is, if you can play at the 5A level, then you can play at the college level. Now, it may not be at a place you have heard of, but there is a place for you.
I am honest with my kids and their parents. If a kid is D 3 at best, that is what I'll tell them. If I have a kid that wants to play college baseball, I'll do everything I can for them. I don't think that college baseball is for everyone though. I mean, it requires total commitment and a total love of the game. If you don't have those two things...along with the physical tools...then you won't last!
6am - Weights and conditioning
9am-Noon - Classes
1pm-4pm - practice
5-7pm - Study hall
(this is not necessarily everywhere)
Had a kid that played for me that went to Texas. He and his room mate missed a 6am workout once...ONCE! Next morning, at about 3:30am, conditioning coach knocks on their door, drags them out of bed, takes them to Darrell K. Royal, Texas Memorial Stadium, and has them run bleachers on the home side. You ever been to a football game there? That is a lot of steps! Then when they were done, they went to their regularly scheduled 6am workout. You gonna quit and give up that scholarship to Texas??? No, you're going to get your you know what out of bed and get to workout.
To answer your hypothetical, college coaches ask about tools. I will answer their questions, but without "overselling" the kid. The last thing I can do is oversell. If I oversell a kid and he shows nothing, then I lose credibility with that coach and all my future players will suffer because of it. They ask about attitude, coachability, academics. If a kid is real good, but has "underachieved" in the class room, then when I talk to the recruiting coordinator from say, Stanford, I have to tell him "coach, you can't recruit him because of his grades." When I do talk to Coach Stolz from Stanford though, he usually asks me about academics first, second at the latest.
Most football guys I have been around tell the head coaches in other sports that he expects them to help their kids get to college.
As for the honesty of college coaches, it depends. I have dealt with some that don't tell the truth. I have dealt with some that have gotten furious with me because I did not help them get one of my kids. Most though, are upfront and honest. They can't afford not to be. Why? Because of message boards like this, bad news travels very fast these days.