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Judge rules against Paxton

CT Clint Taylor100+ posts
This is a difficult situation for obviously a fine young man, talented pitcher, and university.
According to rivals.com, the judge's ruling states the Univ. of Kentucky can withhold Paxton from competition. The judge stated his due process had nothing to do with the "student code of ethics" and his actions could cause sanctions against the university (baseball team). Paxton stated "I feel it is the university's responsibility to determine my eligibility an I feel betrayed".
I do not agree with the NCAA's rule concerning advisers and agents but I do understand why it was originally initiated. The initial thought was to help protect players and colleges from unscrupulous individuals prying on young talent. It seems if the player can stay out of the news, the NCAA is less likely to become involved. JMHO
Remember, the J's owner was quoted in the paper saying they had to negotiate with Boros and felt that was why Paxton did not sign. RED FLAG! Definite rules violation, how could the NCAA ignore the fact??
This is obviously a difficult situation for both Paxton and the University. Regardless, how you feel about the rule, it is a rule and must be obeyed if a player is to retain their amateur status.
Players and parents beware!
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TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
While I do not necessarily agree with the rule the NCAA imposes, the rule is that no agent can negotiate for you and that is what happened and the J's statement was proof, though unfortunetly that is going to happen when you tick someone off. Once you say no, no organization or other individual has an alliegance to you to keep anything private. A good lesson for all, if not already learned in the Oliver case.

The rule is clear cut and is the player's and his family's responsibility to understand that. Although lots of stuff goes on where there are grey areas goes on all of the time, the NCAA knows it, negotiating for money is way off limits for them.
CPLZCPLZ1,000+ posts
The next step in the process will be that Olivers lawyer, Johnson, will file suit against the NCAA in Kentucky and see if he can get the same favorable ruling that he got with Oliver in Ohio...that being, that every person is entitled to legal counsel in negotiation and the NCAA cannot force athletes to give up this right (I use the word loosely).

There really is no good reason for the NCAA to have this rule, it only favors the experienced adults and deprives the student of helpful resources. This is another great example of the NCAA having rules and then enforcing them, without ever asking why. It's truly unfortunate.
TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
I am not sure whether because we have been through it or not, I am 100% against the rule.

Let's face it, not everyone has the opportunity when drafted to secure the advice of an agent. This would create an unfair advantage, JMO.

I am also not so sure I agree with unproven players out of HS getting millions of dollars when a proven MLB player has to take less in order to keep his job.

I am kind of looking at it from the other side now I guess.
CPLZCPLZ1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
While I detest what the NCAA is doing, this was between the player and his school. There's no way the player can buck his school on this and expect to come out ahead.

It's an outgrowth of the Oliver situation but enough different that he shouldn't have expected to win.


This is about the player not agreeing to submit to the inquisitor general of the NCAA. The school is caught in the middle, and like most schools, absolutely folds in the shadow of the NCAA.

Paxton is refusing to be interrogated by the NCAA and the request comes through the school. The suit was about the schools written policy regarding investigations and Paxton was alleging that the request violated the stated code of conduct written by the school. The code of conduct states that a request to question a student, must be accompanied by a written statement of charges. The NCAA request for questioning does not have such an accompanying document.

So Paxton isn't bucking the school, the school is strictly the intermediary for the NCAA request.
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playfairplayfair500+ posts
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I am also not so sure I agree with unproven players out of HS getting millions of dollars when a proven MLB player has to take less in order to keep his job.



The situation is a bit out of control.

Strasberg got half of what many would agree a lesser quality international "free agent" just got.


It would seem that a domestic draft/hard slotting system along with an international draft/hard slotting system is the only answer.

I think the next CBA will address these issues.
H Homerun041,000+ posts
I can't say I agree with the NCAA rule about having agents, but then again, it is the rules, so I don't feel bad for those who obviously break the rules and then call fowl when they get caught. It is not like Boras was not familar with the rule.

There are others who get no benefit from working with advisors and lost a lot from it.

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