Junior College Talent

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if I was a college coach I would evaluate each player for my team. The numbers are only the first step. Next is the Heart and the desire to succeed.

Bob

Bob

Everything that has happened since 2020 has resulted in more talented players going the JuCo route. I have argued for a long time that it always should have been that way. The biggest jump a player experiences is often during his freshman year. For that to occur the player has to be playing - not watching someone else play his position. JuCo offers that opportunity. No restrictions on practice time and a full schedule of fall games allows for this to happen. As a HS senior here is the litmus test - if you are getting legit MLB draft interest, or are a legit HA student, then it makes sense to be looking at 4 year programs. If you are not in either of those categories JuCo should be your target - not your backup plan. For those that express academic concerns I would ask you to do more research. Many JuCos are very solid academically and offer similar low level courses as big state universities. With proper planning there is no academic setback whatsoever. JuCo is a more practical (and logical) path to long term success in college baseball for the overwhelming majority of players coming out of HS. Especially right now.

@adbono posted:

Everything that has happened since 2020 has resulted in more talented players going the JuCo route. I have argued for a long time that it always should have been that way. The biggest jump a player experiences is often during his freshman year. For that to occur the player has to be playing - not watching someone else play his position. JuCo offers that opportunity. No restrictions on practice time and a full schedule of fall games allows for this to happen. As a HS senior here is the litmus test - if you are getting legit MLB draft interest, or are a legit HA student, then it makes sense to be looking at 4 year programs. If you are not in either of those categories JuCo should be your target - not your backup plan. For those that express academic concerns I would ask you to do more research. Many JuCos are very solid academically and offer similar low level courses as big state universities. With proper planning there is no academic setback whatsoever. JuCo is a more practical (and logical) path to long term success in college baseball for the overwhelming majority of players coming out of HS. Especially right now.

Nope.

Here is the lived reality -

HA son doing a post grad year after achieving a 1500+ SAT and 5's on 9 AP tests - there is not a single math or science course at the local Juco that he can take - he's tested out of them all. Same goes for English and history. And this local Juco has one of the top baseball programs in the state....in a very large, populous state.

@Beisbol Life ran into the same problem with her HA son in a different state.

We've solved it in part by taking classes via Zoom from a four year college located across the country. But science classes are a no-go since they require in-person labs.

So this year is a diminished academic experience because Juco academics are not equivalent to HA academics, not even close. My HA son coming out of HS with top test scores is effectively a college junior in Juco terms.

If you'd like me to post the emails from the Juco registrar outlining all of this, I can do that.

Will add - I don't doubt Juco is a great place for players to develop. All the moving parts in D1 certainly favor more players going the Juco route. But, as someone wrote earlier, if the long pole in your tent is academics then Juco should not be the first choice. Better to try to go D3 or HA D1.

@SpeedDemon posted:

Nope.

Here is the lived reality -

HA son doing a post grad year after achieving a 1500+ SAT and 5's on 9 AP tests - there is not a single math or science course at the local Juco that he can take - he's tested out of them all. Same goes for English and history. And this local Juco has one of the top baseball programs in the state....in a very large, populous state.

@Beisbol Life ran into the same problem with her HA son in a different state.

We've solved it in part by taking classes via Zoom from a four year college located across the country. But science classes are a no-go since they require in-person labs.

So this year is a diminished academic experience because Juco academics are not equivalent to HA academics, not even close. My HA son coming out of HS with top test scores is effectively a college junior in Juco terms.

If you'd like me to post the emails from the Juco registrar outlining all of this, I can do that.

I clearly said that JuCo was not the best route for a true HA student.

Your desire to be argumentative towards me ( which is a pattern that many have noticed)  seems to outweigh your ability to comprehend a lot of what I say. There is a lot more that I could say but I will leave it at that.

@adbono posted:

I clearly said that JuCo was not the best route for a true HA student.

Your desire to be argumentative towards me ( which is a pattern that many have noticed)  seems to outweigh your ability to comprehend a lot of what I say. There is a lot more that I could say but I will leave it at that.

Weird that you would take things so personally and think that I target you.

I don't even know what to say ... it's so weird.

But maybe I should take the advice of others and just go into read-only mode, stop combating the persistent misinformation that floats around on this site, like this gem:

"Many JuCos are very solid academically and offer similar low level courses as big state universities. With proper planning there is no academic setback whatsoever. JuCo is a more practical (and logical) path to long term success in college baseball for the overwhelming majority of players coming out of HS."

@SpeedDemon posted:

Weird that you would take things so personally and think that I target you.

I don't even know what to say ... it's so weird.

But maybe I should take the advice of others and just go into read-only mode, stop combating the persistent misinformation that floats around on this site, like this gem:

"Many JuCos are very solid academically and offer similar low level courses as big state universities. With proper planning there is no academic setback whatsoever. JuCo is a more practical (and logical) path to long term success in college baseball for the overwhelming majority of players coming out of HS."

What you have chosen to quote is not disinformation.

Candidly, you are a cancer to this site.

I am going to lock this thread after complaints of content.  I don't have time now to edit or to take other actions.