Lakepoint fields/ hotels

one year at 17u WWBA there was a pitcher throwing gas, cheese, lint.... he was cruising 97-98  slider 87-88   he was playing at high school field near Cartersville and no one came to see the kid throw... not one recruiter....  

the next day I saw a kid at LP pitching he was 87-88, a little wild , off-speed was spotty  and a recruiter I know was going to make the kid an offer on the spot... I said hey man have you not seen the kid throwing 98 ?

And the recruiter said , yes I saw him , but he didn't pitch at Lake Point ..... and his dad didn't have his stats from tee-ball to high school and video's on Netflix, Hulu and HBO... so we had to pass on him....  I said "makes sense" 

RoadRunner posted:

CatcherDadNY posted:

So...just back from Georgia today from the 17u tournament..had some interesting conversations at the hotel bar with several coaches of high level teams who were also staying at the hotel with our team...they expressed that offers were not as forthcoming for 2019s as for previous years..they weren't sure why because they said the talent level on their teams was just as good as previous years..interesting..why?

 

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My uneducated guess:  I think the recruiting timeline has been moved up by about a year. Maybe there just aren’t many spots to offer?

This is probably true based on what many of us 2020s and 2021s on here have personally witnessed over the past 18 months. The timeline seems to have sped up quite a bit over the past 18-24 months. We have 5 D1 commits on our 15U team; 3 of them committed before they ever played a day of HS ball. The scouts were out in full force at the 15u ABC championships last weekend in Indy where there were 104 teams. We also saw 2 top 25 HCs at the 15u tourney 2 weeks ago. D1 programs are definitely scouting and offering to freshman and sophomores so it's very possible they have filled most of their roster spots long before the rising senior time period. 

Zia2021 posted:

RoadRunner posted:

CatcherDadNY posted:

So...just back from Georgia today from the 17u tournament..had some interesting conversations at the hotel bar with several coaches of high level teams who were also staying at the hotel with our team...they expressed that offers were not as forthcoming for 2019s as for previous years..they weren't sure why because they said the talent level on their teams was just as good as previous years..interesting..why?

 

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My uneducated guess:  I think the recruiting timeline has been moved up by about a year. Maybe there just aren’t many spots to offer?

This is probably true based on what many of us 2020s and 2021s on here have personally witnessed over the past 18 months. The timeline seems to have sped up quite a bit over the past 18-24 months. We have 5 D1 commits on our 15U team; 3 of them committed before they ever played a day of HS ball. The scouts were out in full force at the 15u ABC championships last weekend in Indy where there were 104 teams. We also saw 2 top 25 HCs at the 15u tourney 2 weeks ago. D1 programs are definitely scouting and offering to freshman and sophomores so it's very possible they have filled most of their roster spots long before the rising senior time period. 

So, how long until the NCAA bans that practice for baseball too? They just did that for softball. Needs to happen in all sports. 

The rules already did change recently for baseball:  no unofficial visits or contact on campus until September 1 of junior year. Hasn't slowed anything down apparently. 

Last Sunday there was a smaller PG tourney in town. A coach from a top 25 D1 school drove 90 mins to watch a pitcher throw 3 innings. It was 14U baseball.  The pitcher just finished 8th grade a month prior.  

IndyBall posted:

Last Sunday there was a smaller PG tourney in town. A coach from a top 25 D1 school drove 90 mins to watch a pitcher throw 3 innings. It was 14U baseball.  The pitcher just finished 8th grade a month prior.  

OK, I'm curious.  What sort of stats get a rising 9th grader that look?  90 mph at age 15 plus projected to be at least 6'6"?

I saw the kid but didn’t see him pitch. 

Hes 6’1 or 6’2. 150 pounds LHP. 

I was told he throws low 80s with two different curves. 

Yup. 

IndyBall posted:

I saw the kid but didn’t see him pitch. 

Hes 6’1 or 6’2. 150 pounds LHP. 

I was told he throws low 80s with two different curves. 

Yup. 

Are things that bad in your neck of the woods finding players, that a top 25 D1coach has nothing better to do than drive 90 minutes to watch a player not yet in HS?

Based on the amount of incoming freshmen that are committed to top 25 programs it is obviously happening on a regular basis. 

2019Dad posted:

Seeing the 17U WWBA for the first time this week, I think the tournament is fantastic. The kids who live in Georgia and the Southeast are really fortunate to have easy access to the WWBA events. 

At some point, it would be great if Lakepoint built out the other 8 fields that are planned -- having 16 fields would mean most teams could have 4 of their 7 pool games at Lakepoint. 

Don’t hold your breath ...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/l...ankruptcy-1528745574

Buckeye 2015 posted:

With regard to scouts, it seems like a lot of you feel like scouts just show up and LakePoint or the WWBA and randomly look for kids.  That is so very much NOT the case.  Will a scout happen across a kid and like what he sees....sure, but he was at the game to SEE SOMEONE ELSE!   Scouts have a pre-set schedule of who they want to see....so they go there.  If your son hasn't contacted a college coach (or been contacted by one) ahead of time, don't expect to see him at your game....it's just not physically possible for that to work that way. 

Moral of the story ... Don’t throw spaghetti off the wall to see what sticks. 

Don’t go to PG expecting miracles. Lay the groundwork. Talk with your coach. Where do you want to play? Does your coach think you’re capable of playing there? Will he make a call on your behalf. Coaches and scouts follow kids their coaches told them fit in their program. 

Yes, you can be discovered by playing with a stud. But it’s much easier if you lay the groundwork. 

TPM posted:

IndyBall posted:

I saw the kid but didn’t see him pitch. 

Hes 6’1 or 6’2. 150 pounds LHP. 

I was told he throws low 80s with two different curves. 

Yup. 

Are things that bad in your neck of the woods finding players, that a top 25 D1coach has nothing better to do than drive 90 minutes to watch a player not yet in HS?

 

Nope, the talent is that good in this neck of the woods. The kid I know who committed before his 9th grade year is a top 10 player on PG and committed to a top 25 school. He's consistently throwing 93 this year and has topped at 96. I think part of this younger recruiting trend in this area is that the regional schools are trying to keep homegrown talent rather than seeing them go south. Therefore, they make an offer to the kid before the big schools down south find them. 

Zia2021 posted:

TPM posted:

IndyBall posted:

I saw the kid but didn’t see him pitch. 

Hes 6’1 or 6’2. 150 pounds LHP. 

I was told he throws low 80s with two different curves. 

Yup. 

Are things that bad in your neck of the woods finding players, that a top 25 D1coach has nothing better to do than drive 90 minutes to watch a player not yet in HS?

 

Nope, the talent is that good in this neck of the woods. The kid I know who committed before his 9th grade year is a top 10 player on PG and committed to a top 25 school. He's consistently throwing 93 this year and has topped at 96. I think part of this younger recruiting trend in this area is that the regional schools are trying to keep homegrown talent rather than seeing them go south. Therefore, they make an offer to the kid before the big schools down south find them. 

I somewhat have to agree with that logic as it should be about keeping talent closer to home.

At the 16U WWBA this week and I'm confused about something:  Why are two of the teams in my son's team's pool not scheduled to play each other?  They both only have six games listed online, while everyone else in the pool has seven.  A glitch or is this an actual thing?

Chico Escuela posted:

At the 16U WWBA this week and I'm confused about something:  Why are two of the teams in my son's team's pool not scheduled to play each other?  They both only have six games listed online, while everyone else in the pool has seven.  A glitch or is this an actual thing?

They were likely rained out for the missing game and will be rescheduled. 

mamabb0304 posted:

Chico Escuela posted:

At the 16U WWBA this week and I'm confused about something:  Why are two of the teams in my son's team's pool not scheduled to play each other?  They both only have six games listed online, while everyone else in the pool has seven.  A glitch or is this an actual thing?

They were likely rained out for the missing game and will be rescheduled. 

Now that I read your response, that seems pretty obvious   But I couldn't figure it out on my own, so thanks for clearing that up.

RJM posted:

Buckeye 2015 posted:

With regard to scouts, it seems like a lot of you feel like scouts just show up and LakePoint or the WWBA and randomly look for kids.  That is so very much NOT the case.  Will a scout happen across a kid and like what he sees....sure, but he was at the game to SEE SOMEONE ELSE!   Scouts have a pre-set schedule of who they want to see....so they go there.  If your son hasn't contacted a college coach (or been contacted by one) ahead of time, don't expect to see him at your game....it's just not physically possible for that to work that way. 

Moral of the story ... Don’t throw spaghetti off the wall to see what sticks. 

Don’t go to PG expecting miracles. Lay the groundwork. Talk with your coach. Where do you want to play? Does your coach think you’re capable of playing there? Will he make a call on your behalf. Coaches and scouts follow kids their coaches told them fit in their program. 

Yes, you can be discovered by playing with a stud. But it’s much easier if you lay the groundwork. 

Coaches get their rosters at the beginning of the tournament, and start mapping out their strategy. They have a group of kids they want to see and they will coordinate that with "who's pitching." They do not drift around to games hoping to see someone that catches their eye. No time for that. They have "qualified" the players before the event and they'll put their eyes on them to see if they are a non-prospect or if they'll stay in the recruiting pipeline. If you don't already know who is coming to see you, then it's no one. That said, you can always catch a coaches eye -- but it's unusual. 

Kids should let coaches know when/where they are playing....and pitchers must let them know when they are throwing. Coaches who make "game time decisions" are doing the kid a disservice.