Could you explain a good long toss program. For instance, do you start out at 90 ft. then move back. How many throws? How hard? etc.....
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Savannah ... you have a PM coming your way.
Savannah,
Here's some information. I wouldn't be surprised if FBM pm'ed something fairly similar.
Long Toss Info
They also sell a tape/CD with more detail which is good but relatively expensive.
Here's some information. I wouldn't be surprised if FBM pm'ed something fairly similar.
Long Toss Info
They also sell a tape/CD with more detail which is good but relatively expensive.
Savannah,
Here is the program I use.
Typical Long Toss Routine
1. Warm up and play catch
2. Throw at 60 feet for 4 minutes
3. Throw at 90 feet for 3 minutes
4. Throw at 120 feet for 3 minutes
5. Cool Down at 60 feet for 1 minute
(Advanced) Long Toss Routines
1. Warm up and play catch
2. Throw at 60 feet for 4 minutes
3. Throw at 90 feet for 3 minutes
4. Throw at 130 feet for 2 minutes
5. Throw at 160-180 feet for 2 minutes
6. Cool down at 45 feet for 1 minute
Note: Once you get to 150 feet and beyond make sure to use crow-hop to take some stress off of the shoulder.
Also on the advanced program after we get to 160 to 180 feet and the arm strength is up (you will be able to tell), then I add 10 feet to each set. 60 feet becomes 70, 90 becomes 100, etc, etc.
Use what you can, and throw away the rest, or combine it with others. Hope this helps.....
Orioles42
Here is the program I use.
Typical Long Toss Routine
1. Warm up and play catch
2. Throw at 60 feet for 4 minutes
3. Throw at 90 feet for 3 minutes
4. Throw at 120 feet for 3 minutes
5. Cool Down at 60 feet for 1 minute
(Advanced) Long Toss Routines
1. Warm up and play catch
2. Throw at 60 feet for 4 minutes
3. Throw at 90 feet for 3 minutes
4. Throw at 130 feet for 2 minutes
5. Throw at 160-180 feet for 2 minutes
6. Cool down at 45 feet for 1 minute
Note: Once you get to 150 feet and beyond make sure to use crow-hop to take some stress off of the shoulder.
Also on the advanced program after we get to 160 to 180 feet and the arm strength is up (you will be able to tell), then I add 10 feet to each set. 60 feet becomes 70, 90 becomes 100, etc, etc.
Use what you can, and throw away the rest, or combine it with others. Hope this helps.....
Orioles42
CADad ...
You got it !!!
You got it !!!
Here's the one that I use:
A good warmup then a bucket of balls and a fungo.
Thanks bbscout!
A good warmup then a bucket of balls and a fungo.
Thanks bbscout!
Jaeger has a very good long toss program and is very well thought out. I am not as excited at the pull down phase as Jaeger is, but it is just an opinion and it won't hurt. I just think that there are better ways to develop arm speed than the pull downs. Some of the reasons that he give for the pull downs are so so. Again, it is just my opinion and it isn't pull downs are not good, just that there are better ways to do develop arm speed.
For pitchers a good long toss is effortless, accurate, and with a good follow through. I hate seeing a long toss where the ball has an unknown destination. I used to sit on home plate and as my son worked through his bag of balls to further distances I could read the newspaper without worry of being hit. As he got more profiecent I became the "knock-down" target. There's nothing neater than seeing two players long tossing as they move up between 150 and 220 feet, and the motion remains the same, and ball hits the belt buckle each throw.
Bighit15,
I feel that the strength gains come from the maximum distance portion of the long toss rather than the pull down phase. I do think the pull down phase helps a bit with re-establishing the aim point and warming down since I seldom see anyone really maintain the same effort level throughout the pull down phase.
Regardless, my son has been going to Alan's camp each summer for a few years now and we use the same routine ourselves.
I feel that the strength gains come from the maximum distance portion of the long toss rather than the pull down phase. I do think the pull down phase helps a bit with re-establishing the aim point and warming down since I seldom see anyone really maintain the same effort level throughout the pull down phase.
Regardless, my son has been going to Alan's camp each summer for a few years now and we use the same routine ourselves.
Big...we've worked with Jaeger's program for 3 years now, and the explanation for the pull down is this:
Most kids should throw to a max distance taking maybe 8-10 min(some start out shorter than others), or a certain # of throws(which we use)...then they proceed to move back to their partner...however, and I have seen it a hundred times, the kids come in looping the throws, screwing around with poor mechanics and do in 30 seconds what took them 8-10 minutes to get to their max effort distance.
The pulldown process, if done correctly, keeps them focused on a lower plane and aids in getting their arm strength to develop so that a kid may be able to toss on a line at 200 feet, when 4-5 weeks earlier he was @ 120 ft max on pull down strength.
I may not have explained it as in depth as I can, but that's the general idea. It works if you follow the system, for some it takes a little more work, but if you give it 10 weeks, 3 times a week, use the cords, and run you will be extremely happy with your new arm strength.
The cost of the program is minimal and the arm /shoulder care it establishes is beneficial for all positions.
Also, when we purchased the entire team package, Jaeger came to the school for a day and worked with the start-up as well as the mechanical side which is extremely important. To this day, those that continue the program have had ZERO arm problems over now a 4th year.
Good Luck to all!
Most kids should throw to a max distance taking maybe 8-10 min(some start out shorter than others), or a certain # of throws(which we use)...then they proceed to move back to their partner...however, and I have seen it a hundred times, the kids come in looping the throws, screwing around with poor mechanics and do in 30 seconds what took them 8-10 minutes to get to their max effort distance.
The pulldown process, if done correctly, keeps them focused on a lower plane and aids in getting their arm strength to develop so that a kid may be able to toss on a line at 200 feet, when 4-5 weeks earlier he was @ 120 ft max on pull down strength.
I may not have explained it as in depth as I can, but that's the general idea. It works if you follow the system, for some it takes a little more work, but if you give it 10 weeks, 3 times a week, use the cords, and run you will be extremely happy with your new arm strength.
The cost of the program is minimal and the arm /shoulder care it establishes is beneficial for all positions.
Also, when we purchased the entire team package, Jaeger came to the school for a day and worked with the start-up as well as the mechanical side which is extremely important. To this day, those that continue the program have had ZERO arm problems over now a 4th year.
Good Luck to all!
BigHit- I think the pulldown phase is a great tool. I feel that it teaches good arm acceleration and finish as well as giving a mind-body connection to finishing with proper throwing mechanics. By implimenting the pull down phase you can incorporate the same arm speed at 60' as you have at 300' (a great tool that has helped velocity immensely).
Calbb...well said. I can teach it, but sometimes it can be stated better. Thanks!
Calbb,starzz,
Sure can't hurt!
I understand the concept and agree that it is a good tool.
It is mimicing underload training and that is a good thing. I would just prefer to do underload training instead.
I guess keeping a lower release point is important to the system. I have never advocated or agreed that long tossing effects a release point to the degree that it needs to be retaught afterward. I feel that throwing from a mound or from your position teaches that muscle memory. It may be more advantageous for position players than pitchers from that stand point because at no time in a long toss program is it going to mimic a mound release, simply becasue you are not throwing from a mound.
I would submit that their ability to throw on the line would occur whether they did the pulldowns or not. JMO
Don't get me wrong here. It is a good program and I see the definite benefits of throwing to air it out on the way out and stay on line on the way in. I am not inferring that it is dangerous. It is the best long toss program on the market. I have just made adjustments with using underload training instead. I respect Jaegers system. As i said. It is well thought out.
Thanks for then responses. I would not want anybody tom think that I was dissing Jaeger.
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BigHit- I think the pulldown phase is a great tool. I feel that it teaches good arm acceleration and finish as well as giving a mind-body connection to finishing with proper throwing mechanics. By implimenting the pull down phase you can incorporate the same arm speed at 60' as you have at 300' (a great tool that has helped velocity immensely).
Sure can't hurt!
I understand the concept and agree that it is a good tool.
It is mimicing underload training and that is a good thing. I would just prefer to do underload training instead.
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The pulldown process, if done correctly, keeps them focused on a lower plane and aids in getting their arm strength to develop so that a kid may be able to toss on a line at 200 feet, when 4-5 weeks earlier he was @ 120 ft max on pull down strength
I guess keeping a lower release point is important to the system. I have never advocated or agreed that long tossing effects a release point to the degree that it needs to be retaught afterward. I feel that throwing from a mound or from your position teaches that muscle memory. It may be more advantageous for position players than pitchers from that stand point because at no time in a long toss program is it going to mimic a mound release, simply becasue you are not throwing from a mound.
I would submit that their ability to throw on the line would occur whether they did the pulldowns or not. JMO
Don't get me wrong here. It is a good program and I see the definite benefits of throwing to air it out on the way out and stay on line on the way in. I am not inferring that it is dangerous. It is the best long toss program on the market. I have just made adjustments with using underload training instead. I respect Jaegers system. As i said. It is well thought out.
Thanks for then responses. I would not want anybody tom think that I was dissing Jaeger.