Do the cubs have any that can play defensively?
Nope!
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Defensively speaking, Jones/Soriano/Murton and ???
may be the very WORST in MLB!
may be the very WORST in MLB!
So, nobody responds to your original post so you start to talk to yourself.... NICE!!
You are charged with trying to incite a web riot.
You are charged with trying to incite a web riot.
Web riot? All that talk about Spiderman III...it's all hype, no riot at all.
Sox...feel free to use this if you need to stir things up a bit...
Sox...feel free to use this if you need to stir things up a bit...
With Pie sent down there isn't much you can argue with about The Cubs having a weak defensive OF.
It is their biggest weakness no doubt.
It is their biggest weakness no doubt.
I just had to laugh at the display by Murton, not once but twice in the same game!
Not sure he could play in the ACC....maybe DH! LOLOLOLOL!
Not sure he could play in the ACC....maybe DH! LOLOLOLOL!
soxnole,
I'm confused by that. Matt Murton was an all american at an ACC school. And he was drafted in the first round out of Georgia Tech. And he made it to the Big Leagues in three years.
Maybe DH? In the ACC?
Murton entering this year has hit .303, 20 HRs in 195 Major League games. Hard telling what he'd do with a metal bat in his hands in the ACC.
Last I remembered the Major Leagues was a tad bit tougher than college baseball.
I'm confused by that. Matt Murton was an all american at an ACC school. And he was drafted in the first round out of Georgia Tech. And he made it to the Big Leagues in three years.
Maybe DH? In the ACC?
Murton entering this year has hit .303, 20 HRs in 195 Major League games. Hard telling what he'd do with a metal bat in his hands in the ACC.
Last I remembered the Major Leagues was a tad bit tougher than college baseball.
Soxnole,
IMO, to wail on Matt Murton after one bad game makes zero sense. He's caught up right now in a numbers game in the Cubs outfield. Young man, now asking to platoon who can flat out hit. Moved from LF to RF and just had a bad game. This is a "learn his players' on the fly" year for Lou and when the dust settles, I believe that Matt Murton will be one player, like a Ryan Theriot that Pinella will want to keep around. I hope so.
IMO, to wail on Matt Murton after one bad game makes zero sense. He's caught up right now in a numbers game in the Cubs outfield. Young man, now asking to platoon who can flat out hit. Moved from LF to RF and just had a bad game. This is a "learn his players' on the fly" year for Lou and when the dust settles, I believe that Matt Murton will be one player, like a Ryan Theriot that Pinella will want to keep around. I hope so.
FLORIDA GATORS NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would Pinella have to " learn his players on the fly"? He saw them in spring training, and the Cubs undoubtedly have scouted him long before he entered the organization. You mean to say they still don't know his defensive capabilities? That says a mouthful about the organization.
Sox have had 17 consewcutive starts of 6 plus innings. The starters are performing. When the bats come around, look out. Does anyone think Konerko will end batting .203 or Dye at .193? If they both get to .250 they'll have done some damage getting there.
Sox have had 17 consewcutive starts of 6 plus innings. The starters are performing. When the bats come around, look out. Does anyone think Konerko will end batting .203 or Dye at .193? If they both get to .250 they'll have done some damage getting there.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bballdad1954:
Why would Pinella have to " learn his players on the fly"? He saw them in spring training, and the Cubs undoubtedly have scouted him long before he entered the organization. You mean to say they still don't know his defensive capabilities? That says a mouthful about the organization.
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If I could understand more clearly what you wrote I might do a better job of responding. "He saw them in spring training", big deal. It was also the very first time that he had seen any of the players on the field and most got limited time in Arizona. Sure, he was told about players by scouts, coaches and the GM but that only goes so far. If you know anything about Matt Murton's college career, and his fast rise to the bigs, you'd know that he's a player. So he made a couple of errors. So he doesn't have the strongest arm in the outfield. IMO, that young man is a BASEBALL PLAYER who will continue to improve.
So, the Sox staff has 17 straight "quality starts". That's the most overused and unimportant pitching statistic ever conceived. Pitch 6 innings and give up 3 runs. ERA 4.5. Great job. The Cubs staff has the second lowest batting average against in the NL. That's another number that doesn't translate into wins. It's a big improvement over last seasons number, but by itself is just another stat.
Why would Pinella have to " learn his players on the fly"? He saw them in spring training, and the Cubs undoubtedly have scouted him long before he entered the organization. You mean to say they still don't know his defensive capabilities? That says a mouthful about the organization.
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If I could understand more clearly what you wrote I might do a better job of responding. "He saw them in spring training", big deal. It was also the very first time that he had seen any of the players on the field and most got limited time in Arizona. Sure, he was told about players by scouts, coaches and the GM but that only goes so far. If you know anything about Matt Murton's college career, and his fast rise to the bigs, you'd know that he's a player. So he made a couple of errors. So he doesn't have the strongest arm in the outfield. IMO, that young man is a BASEBALL PLAYER who will continue to improve.
So, the Sox staff has 17 straight "quality starts". That's the most overused and unimportant pitching statistic ever conceived. Pitch 6 innings and give up 3 runs. ERA 4.5. Great job. The Cubs staff has the second lowest batting average against in the NL. That's another number that doesn't translate into wins. It's a big improvement over last seasons number, but by itself is just another stat.
LOL= Laugh out loud! Lots of laughs!
PG, I was just digging cubbie fans. On the other hand after seeing a lot of MLB and ACC baseball this year that was the weakest DEFENSIVE performance I've seen in anyone's outfield. My point was that the cubs OF will kill their chances as it already has so far this year.
Every Sox fan had to get a laugh out of his performance thursday. Nothing personal about Murton, just pointing out the weak cub defensive OF!
Murton can hit. Can he play right at Wrigley?
The jury is out.
PG, I was just digging cubbie fans. On the other hand after seeing a lot of MLB and ACC baseball this year that was the weakest DEFENSIVE performance I've seen in anyone's outfield. My point was that the cubs OF will kill their chances as it already has so far this year.
Every Sox fan had to get a laugh out of his performance thursday. Nothing personal about Murton, just pointing out the weak cub defensive OF!
Murton can hit. Can he play right at Wrigley?
The jury is out.
soxnole,
My bad! Should have picked up on that (LOL). Not very smart at times! (Most all the time)
My bad! Should have picked up on that (LOL). Not very smart at times! (Most all the time)
PG, No need to apologize. Soxnole meant every word in that posting. His-LOL-was just a ruse to make us think that he's kidding, when he isn't! When given an opportunity to rip the Cubbies, he does so with great joy, even if he's wrong.
An excelllent high school coach once told me it is a waste to have two hour try outs. He could generally pick who the top players were while they were throwing warm up tosses
College scouots look at players in showcases, where they have a couple of throws, ten swings and are timed in the 60 yard dash.
Pro scouts follow players for a series or two and write a report.
Lou Pinella , according to Rosy, has to see a guy a whole season to tell if he can play defense. Rosey, you say he doesn't have a good arm. He made a couple of errors (some outfielders son't make two errors in a season). Yet you say he is a "BASEBALL PLAYER". Why don't you call Pinella and let him know so he doesn't have to watch him for the whole season to figure it out? You know about Murton, but Pinella has "learn his players on the fly year". Maybe Murton should be traded to the AL and become a DH.
I'll also notify baseball that you feel "quality starts" is overused and meaningless. How do we know this? Rosy says so. Again, baseball people only need to call Rosy to find out how it REALLY is.
Rosy, when is you baseball bible coming out so we can all become informed?
College scouots look at players in showcases, where they have a couple of throws, ten swings and are timed in the 60 yard dash.
Pro scouts follow players for a series or two and write a report.
Lou Pinella , according to Rosy, has to see a guy a whole season to tell if he can play defense. Rosey, you say he doesn't have a good arm. He made a couple of errors (some outfielders son't make two errors in a season). Yet you say he is a "BASEBALL PLAYER". Why don't you call Pinella and let him know so he doesn't have to watch him for the whole season to figure it out? You know about Murton, but Pinella has "learn his players on the fly year". Maybe Murton should be traded to the AL and become a DH.
I'll also notify baseball that you feel "quality starts" is overused and meaningless. How do we know this? Rosy says so. Again, baseball people only need to call Rosy to find out how it REALLY is.
Rosy, when is you baseball bible coming out so we can all become informed?
bballdad,
It sounds like you could use a night at the Sybaris.
Chill. Isn't this forum to be used as an opportunity to give personal opinions on baseball topics? Who stuck a hot poker up your behind? If you've got something you want to say to me, send a PM.
And I'll be happy to repeat my comment that "quality starts" is a stat used by agents in a contract year. What do you think pitchers like Bob Gibson, Jenkins, and the other Hall of Famers think about a 6 inning outing when you give up 3 runs? I heard an interview with Kenny Holtzman who said that when he played, if a starter was satisfied with throwing 6 innings and giving up 3 runs he wouldn't be around very long. Every time he took the ball he went out with the expectation of throwing a complete game, even if it didn't always work out that way. It is too bad that that has become the measuring stick for a ML pitcher. ERA of 4.5 per 9 innings. I guess a lot of GM's must have lowered their standards because there are a lot of guys making millions who do just that. JMO.
It sounds like you could use a night at the Sybaris.
Chill. Isn't this forum to be used as an opportunity to give personal opinions on baseball topics? Who stuck a hot poker up your behind? If you've got something you want to say to me, send a PM.
And I'll be happy to repeat my comment that "quality starts" is a stat used by agents in a contract year. What do you think pitchers like Bob Gibson, Jenkins, and the other Hall of Famers think about a 6 inning outing when you give up 3 runs? I heard an interview with Kenny Holtzman who said that when he played, if a starter was satisfied with throwing 6 innings and giving up 3 runs he wouldn't be around very long. Every time he took the ball he went out with the expectation of throwing a complete game, even if it didn't always work out that way. It is too bad that that has become the measuring stick for a ML pitcher. ERA of 4.5 per 9 innings. I guess a lot of GM's must have lowered their standards because there are a lot of guys making millions who do just that. JMO.
I haven't commented about the Cubbies for a while.
In summary...
Lou is ready for a "blow up";
Murton is a hamburger;
Theirot...is a "hot dog" in the truest sense of all the Latin players. Gets more cheap hits than the girls on the street;
Pitching is overrated...especially now since they will be playing against someone other than Washington; Pirates; Cincy; Astros; and, Los Cardinales.
There will be a "MAJOR" blow up with Zambrano in the first half. If not, then when he definitely realizes that he is not likely to get more than 15 wins.
Cubs have the poorest outfield arms in all of MLB.
I know Izturis was an "All-Star" with the Dodgers. Ballot box must have been stuffed. Absolutely no pop in his bat.
DeRosa is done. No place for him to play.
No chance for the Cubbies to even get the wild card, folks.
Wait till 3007, Cub fans.
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Go White Sox.
In summary...
Lou is ready for a "blow up";
Murton is a hamburger;
Theirot...is a "hot dog" in the truest sense of all the Latin players. Gets more cheap hits than the girls on the street;
Pitching is overrated...especially now since they will be playing against someone other than Washington; Pirates; Cincy; Astros; and, Los Cardinales.
There will be a "MAJOR" blow up with Zambrano in the first half. If not, then when he definitely realizes that he is not likely to get more than 15 wins.
Cubs have the poorest outfield arms in all of MLB.
I know Izturis was an "All-Star" with the Dodgers. Ballot box must have been stuffed. Absolutely no pop in his bat.
DeRosa is done. No place for him to play.
No chance for the Cubbies to even get the wild card, folks.
Wait till 3007, Cub fans.
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Go White Sox.
JP, on a few points we do agree. Lou is most definitely ready for a blow up. Also agree with your point about DeRosa and Izturis. Disagree about Murton and Theriot, however. Haven't heard the bit about all of the Latin players being "hot dogs" in a while, but that's why we're here.
Rosy, why should I pm you? The discussion is part of a thread. It is nothing personal. I just disagree with what you are saying.
You argument against the 6 inning quality starts is called a "straw man" argument. You make up a weak point that no one has said and beat it down. No one said that the picher gave up 3 runs and has a 4.5 ERA. YOU said that, then you beat it down. Re-read the posts and you will see that.
You argument against the 6 inning quality starts is called a "straw man" argument. You make up a weak point that no one has said and beat it down. No one said that the picher gave up 3 runs and has a 4.5 ERA. YOU said that, then you beat it down. Re-read the posts and you will see that.
1954,
I did re-read one of your posts and yes, you didn't quantify the Sox's outings as "quality starts", but merely outings of 6 innings plus. I don't know how many runs they gave up during that time. Maybe they were "quality starts" under today's new vernacular, maybe they weren't. But if you want to put a "straw man" argument on my response, so be it.
I did re-read one of your posts and yes, you didn't quantify the Sox's outings as "quality starts", but merely outings of 6 innings plus. I don't know how many runs they gave up during that time. Maybe they were "quality starts" under today's new vernacular, maybe they weren't. But if you want to put a "straw man" argument on my response, so be it.
Boys, boys, boys...please. Who has the best record in baseball?
The Boston Red Sox.
Can't we all just agree to disagree on the Cubs/White Sox and join together in cheering on the Red Sox as they soar to the 2008 World Series vs. who...the Brewers???
The Boston Red Sox.
Can't we all just agree to disagree on the Cubs/White Sox and join together in cheering on the Red Sox as they soar to the 2008 World Series vs. who...the Brewers???
Why can't we all get along?
By the way, Rosy doesn't get to write the baseball bible, as I've already been labeled the resident know-it-all, remember? Rosy stop treading on my turf.
Rosy, expect the sox fans to come at the Cubs and their fans full tilt with their own team back to being mediocre. That's the way it has always been...sox fans generally speaking (qualifier) tend to focus on trashing the Cubs when things aren't going well for the sox.
The Cubs have some big holes, but with MLB being very average overall, they could still contend for a playoff spot and as the Cardinals in 2006 and the sox in 2005 proved, once you get there you can win no matter how average you are.
By the way, Rosy doesn't get to write the baseball bible, as I've already been labeled the resident know-it-all, remember? Rosy stop treading on my turf.
Rosy, expect the sox fans to come at the Cubs and their fans full tilt with their own team back to being mediocre. That's the way it has always been...sox fans generally speaking (qualifier) tend to focus on trashing the Cubs when things aren't going well for the sox.
The Cubs have some big holes, but with MLB being very average overall, they could still contend for a playoff spot and as the Cardinals in 2006 and the sox in 2005 proved, once you get there you can win no matter how average you are.
rosy, please get off the soap box with your typical weak a$$ defense of the indefensible! LOLOLOLOL
cubs OF = "laughable not lovable"............LOLOLOLOL
Lily = a guy who could not retire his sister in the AL 1 year ago is knocking them dead in AAA!
The truth:
Contreras,Garland,Beuhrle,Vasquez and Danks = the 4th best staff at this moment while the flubs are about 15th (allowing for the AAA competition).
cubs OF = "laughable not lovable"............LOLOLOLOL
Lily = a guy who could not retire his sister in the AL 1 year ago is knocking them dead in AAA!
The truth:
Contreras,Garland,Beuhrle,Vasquez and Danks = the 4th best staff at this moment while the flubs are about 15th (allowing for the AAA competition).
[QUOTE]Originally posted by soxnole:
rosy, please get off the soap box with your typical weak a$$ defense of the indefensible! LOLOLOLOL
If I'm on a soap box, what is the name of the mountain that you preach from??? Or maybe, it's the roof on Ann Sather's Restaurant!!!
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rosy, please get off the soap box with your typical weak a$$ defense of the indefensible! LOLOLOLOL
If I'm on a soap box, what is the name of the mountain that you preach from??? Or maybe, it's the roof on Ann Sather's Restaurant!!!
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a slippery slope.....that roof.
I prefer the roof @ Ricobene's on 26th street.
I can preach and then eat breaded steak.
I'll leave the fruity pancakes to y'all!
I prefer the roof @ Ricobene's on 26th street.
I can preach and then eat breaded steak.
I'll leave the fruity pancakes to y'all!
Been, you know how you have been beggin for a CF for almost two years now?
Well you had one, and someone traded him..... Does Chris Young ring a bell? And for Javier Vazquez? That was brilliant!
Sox are batting .220 as a team, which gives them a very respectable ML rank of 30th. That is however a KILLER bowling average!
Pitching has been good, Runs Allowed, Opp BA, HR Allowed, all within top 10 of MLB. Nice Job.
Well you had one, and someone traded him..... Does Chris Young ring a bell? And for Javier Vazquez? That was brilliant!
Sox are batting .220 as a team, which gives them a very respectable ML rank of 30th. That is however a KILLER bowling average!
Pitching has been good, Runs Allowed, Opp BA, HR Allowed, all within top 10 of MLB. Nice Job.
gloveman....
The ML rank could be no worse than 15.
The sox own NL pitching, all AL teams do!
The ML rank could be no worse than 15.
The sox own NL pitching, all AL teams do!
gloveman,
Soxnole is right. They're not ranked 30th. They're ranked 28th in batting out of all 30 teams. Only Washington and St. Louis are ranked lower.This is according to today's stats available on MLB team stats via espn.com. Cubs are ranked 18th.
On the pitching side the Sox are ranked 12th and the Cubbies ranked 8th, out of 30 teams.
Finally, on the fielding side of things the Sox are ranked 28 out of 30 and the Cubs 21 out of 30.
These are all team aggregate stats that are compiled using several sets of figures.
No stat for the worst bullpen of late. No need to. It's the Cubs by 10 lengths.
Soxnole is right. They're not ranked 30th. They're ranked 28th in batting out of all 30 teams. Only Washington and St. Louis are ranked lower.This is according to today's stats available on MLB team stats via espn.com. Cubs are ranked 18th.
On the pitching side the Sox are ranked 12th and the Cubbies ranked 8th, out of 30 teams.
Finally, on the fielding side of things the Sox are ranked 28 out of 30 and the Cubs 21 out of 30.
These are all team aggregate stats that are compiled using several sets of figures.
No stat for the worst bullpen of late. No need to. It's the Cubs by 10 lengths.
Sorry Rosy, my bad, you're right, but really, 28.....30... it's probably one of those bloop hits that moved them up in the last two days.
Understand, Glove. Happy for Young with the DBacks.
I wouldn't have traded Freddie Perez for Danks and Nick Masset, either.
Anderson wasn't the answer and Ryan Sweeney is not a centerfielder either.
Hear the Sox want Rowand back. I wish they would have gotten Juan Pierre when the Cubs got him; and, then when he was available again, they let LAD get him.
I like Javy....Usually one or two pitches in a game get him into trouble. But since he's got a huge contract, he's staying.
Interleague play starts next weekend and Thome should be back. Happy where the Sox are considering their dreadful start.
I wouldn't have traded Freddie Perez for Danks and Nick Masset, either.
Anderson wasn't the answer and Ryan Sweeney is not a centerfielder either.
Hear the Sox want Rowand back. I wish they would have gotten Juan Pierre when the Cubs got him; and, then when he was available again, they let LAD get him.
I like Javy....Usually one or two pitches in a game get him into trouble. But since he's got a huge contract, he's staying.
Interleague play starts next weekend and Thome should be back. Happy where the Sox are considering their dreadful start.
Looks like the weak outfield played fairly well this week end how many triples did the sox give up this weekend ???
Even a blind squirrel........