Marucci 33 inch Black, and Marucci 34 inch Black BBCOR bats are not approved

my son will be bitter. He uses the 34" Black. Unfortunetly they don't have much to replace it with so hopefully they wont be all stupid about refunds.

We just went through it with the Cat5 back in Feb.

We opted for the 3rd option which was to wait a month and half to get the new Team series, which we recieved 1sf week of April towards end of sons HS season.

Hopefully the TEAM bats are safe. Don't want to deal with this again.

Crusader Dad... right now its only decertified by the NCAA so you should be good until NFHS decertifies also.

http://compositebats.com/

Marucci Black BBCOR Baseball Bat Banned By NCAA – Marucci Files Lawsuit Against NCAA
Posted on June 6, 2012 by Composite Bats
BBCOR Marucci Black Baseball Bat Banned By NCAA



VIA ELECTRONIC MAIL
MEMORANDUM
June 6, 2012
TO: Head Baseball Coaches, Conference Commissioners, Compliance Officers
and Coordinators of Umpires.
FROM: Jeff Hurd, chair
Baseball Rules Committee
SUBJECT: Decertification of Marucci CAT-52 and Black bats.
This memo serves as the NCAA’s official notice of the decertification of the
Marucci CAT-52 34-inch and Black 33-inch and 34-inch models. Effective
immediately, these bats will not be allowed for use in any NCAA baseball
competition.
For ease of reference, photos of the bats are below:
The NCAA originally notified Marucci of this decertification in April, at which time Marucci filed suit against the NCAA. A temporary restraining order preventing the decertification of the bats was issued immediately and the district court ordered the proceedings to be kept under seal. On June 5, the district court
unsealed the case and dissolved the temporary restraining order against the
NCAA, thus permitting the NCAA to proceed with the decertifying of the bats.
This was the second time Marucci was notified of one of their bats being
decertified. In February, the Marucci Cat-52
33-inch model was found to be out of compliance and was decertified at that time. Team representatives are asked to check your team’s stock of bats and withhold
these bats if your team is in possession of any. Conference administrators are
asked to share this information with your umpires as well. If any of these bats are
attempted to be used during competition, it should be considered an illegal bat and
subject to NCAA Baseball Rule 1-12-b, (see the penalty section for procedures).
In 2011, the NCAA implemented a baseball bat testing standard called the
Baseball Bat Coefficient of Restitution (BBCOR) measurement. The decision to
implement the standard was rooted in preserving the integrity of the game and
ensuring the safety of student-athletes – as some non-wood bats hit the ball
significantly faster and farther than wood bats, they can create a significant
competitive advantage and also put players at greater risk of injury. The NCAA
certfies only those non-wood bats that perform like their wood counterparts to be
eligible for competition for this reason. All bats are tested prior to and throughout
the baseball season to ensure they are within the BBCOR standards. If a group of
a specific model of bats (three or more bats tested) are found to fail the
compliance test, they are decertified and removed from use in NCAA
competition.
For any questions on this decision, please contact Ty Halpin (Playing Rules,
thalpin@ncaa.org) or Cameron Schuh (Public and Media Relations,
cschuh@ncaa.org) at the NCAA. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
JH:clm
cc: Mr. Gene McArtor
Baseball Rules Committee
Selected NCAA Staff Members

NCAA Ruling

June 6, 2012

Today we were notified that the 34-inch Cat 5² (MBC2) and 33 and 34-inch Black (MCB11) were decertified by the NCAA. We do not agree with this decision and believe the testing systems currently in place are flawed.

Our customers, both professional and amateur players, demand the very best and have come to expect a level of service from Marucci that is second to none.

In response to the NCAA’s ruling, we will provide all owners of the bats in question a comprehensive return program as proof of our commitment to you. Details on this program will be announced soon.

We thank you for your patience and support as we respond to the NCAA’s latest ruling and testing systems.

Brett Stohlton, CEO, Marucci Sports
Kurt Ainsworth, Co-Founder, Marucci Sports

Problem is that Marucci knew of this NCAA decision in April, yet they were still charging $100 to replace the banned/decertified Cat-5 33" with a Black 33" – a bat Marucci already knew was deemed, or could be deemed decertified...

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Originally posted by Bolts-Coach-PR:
Problem is that Marucci knew of this NCAA decision in April, yet they were still charging $100 to replace the banned/decertified Cat-5 33" with a Black 33" – a bat Marucci already knew was deemed, or could be deemed decertified...

Now that's weaving a web of deceit, huh?

Man, this sucks.

That said, I can't say I didn't consider the possibility when I bought my kid a Marucci Black after the Cat 5 33" had already been banned. At least he got a full HS season out of it, and I'm sure there will be something we can exchange it for through Marucci.

And, I guess, until NFHS follows suit, I supposed he is still free to use it in summer ball (we follow NFHS rules...). I guess I think that's coming in pretty short order, though....

NFHS Baseball Rules Committee Meeting met June 3rd, 4th and 5th. You have to believe the lawsuit and impending NCAA bat ban was a hot topic?

NFHS Baseball Rules Committee Meeting
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Time: 8:00 AM - 5:00 PM

We paid the $100 for the "upgrade" replacement from the Cat5 33 to the Black 33 back in April.

Fool me once, shame on you . . . fool me twice, shame on me.

2013's 5150 Velo arrived by UPS next-day today.

Hi 2013 Parent

My son swung a 2012 33"-30oz Marucci Black. That bat is now in a box waiting for instructions on how to return to Marucci! I replaced the Black last week with a 2011 Easton Omen and a 2011 Easton Surge. He has used both for a very limited time, but today he told me he likes the Omen the best. He prefers slightly end-loaded, extended barrel bats like the Black. So to him the Easton Omen swings like a Black. That boy loved his Marucci! I am afraid Marucci alloy bats are now tainted in the minds of many baseball people. If they replace my son's Black with another Marucci alloy product I will try to sell it. I'll be ****ed if I will subject my son and his high school coach to the drama of an opposing coach having umpires check my son's bat after a hit or walk next year. It is a shame. I think another manufacturer is manipulating the NCCA to screw with Marucci. I am sure they made a lot of enemies after all the wood bat sales they earned in MLB. Somebody lost a lot of sales $$ in the MLB Marucci wood bat dominance. Then this year the Cat5 and the Black started to do the same in alloy bats. I don't like the NCAA. They have shafted Division I baseball out of college scholarships for years. I think the NCAA is a pretty dang arrogant. The BBCOR standard is turning into a consumer fiasco and they don't give a rat's behind about the working class parent.

Let us know how your son likes the Rawlings Velo. I saw a lot of teams in the College World Series swinging the Velo. Nice choice.

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Originally posted by Crusader Dad:
Hi 2013 Parent

My son swung a 2012 33"-30oz Marucci Black. That bat is now in a box waiting for instructions on how to return to Marucci! I replaced the Black last week with a 2011 Easton Omen and a 2011 Easton Surge. He has used both for a very limited time, but today he told me he likes the Omen the best. He prefers slightly end-loaded, extended barrel bats like the Black. So to him the Easton Omen swings like a Black. That boy loved his Marucci! I am afraid Marucci alloy bats are now tainted in the minds of many baseball people. If they replace my son's Black with another Marucci alloy product I will try to sell it. I'll be ****ed if I will subject my son and his high school coach to the drama of an opposing coach having umpires check my son's bat after a hit or walk next year. It is a shame. I think another manufacturer is manipulating the NCCA to screw with Marucci. I am sure they made a lot of enemies after all the wood bat sales they earned in MLB. Somebody lost a lot of sales $$ in the MLB Marucci wood bat dominance. Then this year the Cat5 and the Black started to do the same in alloy bats. I don't like the NCAA. They have shafted Division I baseball out of college scholarships for years. I think the NCAA is a pretty dang arrogant. The BBCOR standard is turning into a consumer fiasco and they don't give a rat's behind about the working class parent.

Let us know how your son likes the Rawlings Velo. I saw a lot of teams in the College World Series swinging the Velo. Nice choice.

I disagree. Its us consumer dads that are willing to pay the price to try to buy performance. 5-6 years ago some Scandium bats where only going for $100. Bu t now with BBcor, 7050 bats are $100 while scandium bats are $200. Usually last years bats are 40% off, but we buy this years, when its the SAME bat. Stop trying to buy performance. The bat co. has to total gimmick. They dont even tell us the swing weights of the bats. We have guess and compare. Its a total sham.

LA Ball,

You quote my post and then start your post of with "I disagree".

However, you do not address any of my points or opinions in my post? LA Ball not that your opinions aren't valid. I also agree alloy bat manufactures will try to entice you into the latest and greatest high priced toys. But that is the way of the world. Profit. Some believe a $50.00 bottle of Polo will attract lots of women. Got news for them, if you look like Brad Pitt, $2.99 Electra Shave will be just fine.

My point is the NCCA is a pimp for big name bat manufactures. IMHO, cares zero about the consumers/baseball dads. They do it in the name of safety. Where are the facts? How many less injuries from batted balls in 2011-2012 versus 2010-2011? Did they do any studies? LA Ball you are correct in this aspect; when something stinks follow the money.

So I just finished checking Perfect Games approved bat list and the Black has been removed in the 33 and 34" sizes. The fact that the high school folks haven't ruled on it yet doesn't change the fact that we now have to go out and purchase a new bat to use during the summer months. Marucci is giving themselves a major black eye by dragging their feet on a refund program. Anyone have any success getting anything back from them?

Email sent to Marucci Bat Company:

Brett Stohlton, CEO, Marucci Sports
Kurt Ainsworth, Co-Founder, Marucci Sports

A lot of stress for owners of the N.C.A.A banned Marucci bats, (The 34-inch Cat 5² (MBC2) and 33 and 34-inch Black (MCB11) recently decertified by the NCAA. Please allow returns. The NFHS has not yet decertfied my son's 33'-30oz Marucci Black BBCOR bat. However, I will not let him use it in his 16U PIAA Midget team games because I do not want him embarrassed by a coach on an opposing team asking the umpires to toss the bat. This happened once during his high school season when a coach from the Donegal School District claimed that my son's Marucci was banned. It was not at that time, but the PIAA umpires called my son out and tossed his bat from the game. TOTALLY EMBARRASSING! We carried paper work for the rest of the season to prevent this from occurring again. But enough is enough. We pulled the 33'-30oz Black from his bag for summer 16U ball.

What is your time frame for a decision? Lots of dishonest people have been trying to sell their decertified Marucci bats on Craig's List and Ebay. These people are unloading them to avoid the hassle of waiting for your recall notice. This will eventually completely poison the reputation of your alloy bats. Your lack of action is killing Marucci Bat Company in the minds of a lot of current and potential customers. I believe if this fiasco is not handled with due diligence, integrity and honor it will sometime in the near future effect your wood bat sales.

quote:

Originally posted by Crusader Dad:
LA Ball,

You quote my post and then start your post of with "I disagree".

However, you do not address any of my points or opinions in my post? LA Ball not that your opinions aren't valid. I also agree alloy bat manufactures will try to entice you into the latest and greatest high priced toys. But that is the way of the world. Profit. Some believe a $50.00 bottle of Polo will attract lots of women. Got news for them, if you look like Brad Pitt, $2.99 Electra Shave will be just fine.

My point is the NCCA is a pimp for big name bat manufactures. IMHO, cares zero about the consumers/baseball dads. They do it in the name of safety. Where are the facts? How many less injuries from batted balls in 2011-2012 versus 2010-2011? Did they do any studies? LA Ball you are correct in this aspect; when something stinks follow the money.

Let's address a couple issues:

NCAA makes rules for itself. You complain that it's not thinking of parents. You're right--there's no reason to. Parents generally aren't buying bats for NCAA games. If you have an issue with the legality of bats, your issue is with the sanctioning body that has chosen to adopt the NCAA/BBCOR standard, not the NCAA itself.

Secondly, the injury component. You seem to misunderstand two key points--first, that this standard was in effect for NCAA last year, and second, the rate of injuries from batted balls is relatively small, so two seasons are not going to give a great set of data.

Pointing the finger at the NCAA for Marucci's error is kind of strange...

If you're using that kind of thinking, you probably should be pointing the finger at the NFHS. They followed the NCAA blindly and simply piggy-backed the NCAA decision without doing any research of their own...

Maybe they should be held accountable since the most players who shelled out money for a de-certified bat were by far High School players/Parents...

When the NCAA put BBCOR into effect, the NFHS didn't immediately change their bat rules, they waited an entire year. Now everytime the NCAA de-certifies a bat the NFHS is going to do the same?

That's ridiculous.

They should take the same approach that they did when they first adopted the rule. It stays the same for the entire year, bats at the beginning of the year which are approved, are approved for that year, period... regardless of what the current, day-to-day NCAA ruling is...

Having said all of that, I personally think Marucci is 100% to blame, for intentionally or not, for mass-producing a bat that could fall out of spec...

I believe they will do the right thing...

I agree. Very frustrated too with Mar.

Twice we've been screwed.

At the very least their production guy should be fired.

I'm looking for a class action lawsuit.

Harv

Marucci is also the only bat company that tries to sell bats by using *** appeal in their ads. I think their magazine ads with a hot chick wearing eye black and holding metal bats look totally ridiculous... if she signed a long term deal hopefully she's good at packing boxes for all the returns they are faced with.

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Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
Marucci is also the only bat company that tries to sell bats by using *** appeal in their ads. I think their magazine ads with a hot chick wearing eye black and holding metal bats look totally ridiculous... if she signed a long term deal hopefully she's good at packing boxes for all the returns they are faced with.

There was a bat in that add?

Hahaahahahah

This is Marucci's comprehensive exchange program:

1. 34/31 or 33/30 black and white Team Marucci bat and 1 Professional Cut wood bat
2. 3 Professional Cut wood bats
3. 32/29 or 31/28 Marucci Black (If you are exchanging a Marucci Black only)

What a joke!

Mauser,

Can you tell us where you got this information? The Marucci website is still saying please be patient regarding a return policy for decertified bats. I got the same "be patient" response to emails I've sent them - the latest on June 24.

If your information is correct, I don't think that is a bad deal. Doesn't make up for the original problem entirely, but at least you can get your money's worth in return.

quote:

Originally posted by Eyeontheball:
Mauser,

Can you tell us where you got this information? The Marucci website is still saying please be patient regarding a return policy for decertified bats. I got the same "be patient" response to emails I've sent them - the latest on June 24.

If your information is correct, I don't think that is a bad deal. Doesn't make up for the original problem entirely, but at least you can get your money's worth in return.

I am finding the same standard "be patient" language on the website as well. We have already replaced the Black and it's sitting in our closet. At this point we'd take three wood bats and call it a day.

Woa...lets not come down too hard on hot chicks! ;-))) That is un-american.

quote:

Originally posted by Mauser96:
This is Marucci's comprehensive exchange program:

1. 34/31 or 33/30 black and white Team Marucci bat and 1 Professional Cut wood bat
2. 3 Professional Cut wood bats
3. 32/29 or 31/28 Marucci Black (If you are exchanging a Marucci Black only)

What a joke!

I agree. My son does not need any more wood bats and is not interested in the Team bats or a smaller Black. Just give me a refund so we can go get another bat. Lost lots of respect for Marucci.

quote:

Originally posted by Crusader Dad:
I called Marucci about 15 min.s ago. Told them I purchased a 33 inch Marucci Black from the Marucci Shop on Wednesday, October 12, 2011. This bat is still under Full Twelve (12) Month Manufacturer's Warranty. How do I get it replaced with a legal BBCOR bat? My son has just started his 16U midget season. He now has no legal bat to use. They gave me the run a round. Said; "A policy will be forth coming. We have no policy in place as of yet. An announcement will be available tomorrow."
-Lauren (Customer Service)

Somehow 16U and midget just doesn't seem to go together.

Marucci's comprehensive exchange program: 33/30 black and white Team Marucci bat and 1 Professional Cut wood bat.

My letter of complaint was finally answered and my son's Marucci Black 33" bat was finally replaced with a brand new 33" Marucci Team Series and 33" Marucci Pro Cut wood bat. They arrived today from Marucci via UPS. To my surprise both bats were engraved with my son's name. The Black was originally purchased as a Christmas gift for my son and I paid the extra $10.00 to have it engraved. It never occurred to me that the Marucci Team and Pro Cut replacement bats would also arrive engraved.

Since the Marucci Team alloy bat is engraved, I had no choice but to let him use it. Can't very well sell an engraved bat on Craig's List! He went 2-3 tonight in his 16U Midget baseball league game using the Marucci Team bat(not including a successful sacrifice bunt). Both hits were Texas League flares to the outfield. He likes the balance and the appearance of the Team bat. With just this limited use, it is to early to tell about the sweet spot and pop. We shall see, I have my doubts as I believe Marucci is prolly steering clear of any BBCOR testing limits on these bats!.

The Pro Cut wood bat is a terrific looking bat. He asked me if it is alright for him to keep it new for display. Sure kid no problem, I replied. I would get a tear in my eye if he sawed off a $100.00 wood bat. Dang... it is really is pretty though.

I just talked to Marucci representative today and they said the closeout of the return on 34 and 33 in Cat5^2 and Black bats expired in June 2012. They gave me a 25% discount for future purchases, only if I call them to order the bat. After some more talking I found out that the 32" and 31"/-3 Cat 5^2 are not banned by the NFHS. Anyone in Louisiana know if they are going to ban them in 2013 with the new rules? They said even if the NFHS doesn't ban them that the individual state can make a ruling to ban them.