Maryland State Association of Baseball Coaches

Always a 'sensitive' subject.....
......many more good looking boys......ooops

Michael Austin, Century, Bethune Cookman
Brandon Casas, Gilman, Terps
Alex Deise, StJ, Miss St .....
Chad Diehl, Westminster, Mt St. Mary's
Kevin Doherty, Good Counsel, UVA
Matt Golczewski, Patterson Mill, Delaware
Trey Jones, JM Bennett, JMU
Lee Lipinski, Calvert Hall, Rider
Servando Lliano, Gilman, Delaware
Danny Martinson, Good Counsel, Richmond
Connor Myers, Middletown, ODU
Tom O'Neill, Gilman, SS, Yale
Kevin Ross, Good Counsel, Towson
Ryan Stinar, North Harford, Albany
Joey Strain, Huntingtown, Winthrop
Garrett Walther, Calvert Hall, Towson

Obvious ommission:

NICK HOWARD, OLNEY MARYLAND - Saint Johns College High School

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Originally posted by Baseballfan2:
Obvious ommission:

NICK HOWARD, OLNEY MARYLAND - Saint Johns College High School

Nick Howard is a freshman at UVA.

Obvious omissions from the class of 2012
Max Kra( Landon 2012)
Tyler Beckwith(Linganore 2012)
Evan Shaffer(Old Mill 2012)

Are underclassmen eligible for selection/nomination?

I know other readers would like to see the entire list of nominees.

St. John's is in DC, and players who go to St. John's, even if they live in Maryland, aren't eligible for this list.

As a member of the MSABC I can comment on some of the points made:
1. Players must be nominated by their coach. Voting members can only consider those nominated.
2. Players must go to school in MD - hence this is the MD association of baseball coaches list - this was a huge point of contention for one person in the past.
3. There are always some glaring omissions. We try to get it right, but we have not seen everyone play, do the best we can, look at the numbers and competition.
4. Try and remember that HS coaches get paid VERY little and do the best we can to honor and support our kids the best we can.
5. While some omissions always happen, these kids are all deserving and should be congratulated.
6. IMO - posting a list of all nominated players would be counter productive. Kids may not have been nominated for several reasons and we should only focus our positive energy on those who achieved this great honor.

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Originally posted by LHPMom2012:
St. John's is in DC, and players who go to St. John's, even if they live in Maryland, aren't eligible for this list.

yes that is extremely ironic since historically the majority of the top high school players that live in Maryland attend private schools in DC.

That answer couldn’t be farther from the truth. ,There are great ball players on the
Other side of “the mountain” Frederick,Middletown,Walkersville,Catoctin,….etc
But because we don’t pay thousands of dollars to in role our kids and donate money to schools these kids never get talked about or looked at. It’a. shame

Wow, I didnt know that. Thank you baseballfan2, for doing that indepth analysis.

I hope those public schools have taught your son the difference between "enroll" and "in role," sittinondahill.

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Originally posted by LHPMom2012:
I hope those public schools have taught your son the difference between "enroll" and "in role," sittinondahill.

haha...very gewd...

LJ Hoes, Kevin Gibbs, Danny Hultzen, etc. etc.

Well, there you have it. That is certainly a definitive list and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the majority of the top baseball players from the state of Maryland do play HS ball in DC.

And who could forget players #4 and #5 from your list ? The etc. brothers were two of the most dynamic players to ever don a par of cleats.

We go through this every year. St. John's is in DC so that means if that player plays for that school they are not in the state of Maryland so they are not going to be selected

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Originally posted by LHPMom2012:
I hope those public schools have taught your son the difference between "enroll" and "in role," sittinondahill.

Really?

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Originally posted by Baseballfan2:
yes that is extremely ironic since historically the majority of the top high school players that live in Maryland attend private schools in DC.


LJ Hoes, Kevin Gibbs, Danny Hultzen, etc. etc.

Are you serious?

Your definition of 'top hs players' must be interesting, if ever offered.

Was it T. Gray that taught us
"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise"

Gotta back Bear on this one.

Mark Texeria and Gavin Floyd both played privately in MD @ Mt. St. Joe's.

Also weren't there two kids named Ripken that played @ Aberdeen HS. They turned out to be pretty decent ballplayers if I remember..

We will never forget Nick Adenhart.

Anomalies. If you look at the number of kids that live in Maryland and attend prep schools in DC, the number that play in ACC and SEC College Baseball Teams is off the charts compared to those that live and attend schools in Maryland especially when you look at those attending public high schools in Maryland. Just a fair observation. If you have a talented baseball player that wants to obtain the greatet visibility and and a program that will build upon their skill set the option to pursue a private school setting is more viable.

Actually a lot of the recruiting has moved to the summer and fall baseball circuit. High School baseball is starting to become a little irrelevant.

soxfan - I have to respectfully disagree with you. While college coaches have more time to scout in the summer and fall, high school coaches are ESSENTIAL in the recruiting process. College coaches look to high school coaches who have more insight into a players character, academic strengths, and daily work ethic. They want to know what kind of effort players put in on a daily basis, how coachable they are, if they are receptive to position moves, and how they deal with adversity. While summer and fall programs offer great exposure and help kids get signed, coaches are often limited to their exposure to the kids. For the most part, high school coaches have more insight into a player's overall make-up than a summer or fall coach who sees a player a few times a week with limited practices. There are many March-May high school coaches who do not take are not active participants in helping their players get recruited, but I would not characterize all high school coaches as irrelevant. I know just in Howard County there are several OUTSTANDING coaches that call college coaches, get their players seen, and are extremely active in getting their players a place to play. Brian Culley of Mt. Hebron, Mike Lerner at Hammond, Adam Leader at Reservoir are all top notch when it comes to helping kids in the recruiting process. Just ask the summer and fall coaches their kids play for...

Sure would be fruitful for those NOT in the know, improve just a little bit.

After thinking about it over a second cup this morning, there are two 'Marylanders/DC' who played professional baseball either while in high school or from HS. HoF Al Kaline jumped from Southern (Baltimore MD) HS directly to the Detroit Tigers. Ray Flanigan (RHP) won several games in HS with Hagerstown of the Interstate League before advancing to the Baltimore Orioles of the International League after graduating.

In consideration that a Top Player (in DC-MD Metro) is defined as one that advances to professional baseball (MiLB or MLB), then the top 'public HS' players that played pro ball outnumber the top 'private HS' players that played pro ball by over ~30%. Heck, if you counted the number of 'public HS' Maryland/DC players that played in MLB, it exceeds those 'private HS' Maryland/DC players that played in the big leagues.

For that matter, baseballfan2, your son's alma mater is not in the top HS's in Maryland/DC for alumni that played MiLB nor MLB. St. Johns' HS has one MLB (before you were born!) For the record, Mt St Joe's has 7 big leaguers.

Congrats to Coach Bryan Harman and his induction into Md Coaches HoF

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Originally posted by hocobaseballfan:
For the most part, high school coaches have more insight into a player's overall make-up than a summer or fall coach who sees a player a few times a week with limited practices.

Going with soxfan on this one - high school ball is something to do until summer gets here.....from the LA Times this morning.....

With few exceptions, playing high school sports is no longer considered a vital pathway toward obtaining a college sports scholarship. College recruiters are relying more on club competitions, combines, camps and showcases to identify the majority of their recruited athletes.

Changes in NCAA recruiting rules, combined with the idea that the best and most efficient way to evaluate players is when they compete in all-star events, has made high school sports competition almost irrelevant for college recruiters in certain sports.

If high school coaches are irrelevant, why does every college coach recruiting a player contact the high school coach? Why are high school coaches listed in every player's college bio? Who do you think is more responsible for player development - the HS coach who has a player 6 days a week for 3 months of games/practices or the summer coach who has the player for 2 months with virtually no practices once games start?

While I do not want to discount summer or fall programs, like you discounted the high school coach, I do believe it is a combination of the two that help players develop to their fullest. Soxfan and baseballer - I am sorry that you or your sons did not have a good high school experience. But to simply say that thousands of HS baseball coaches are irrelevant and their time and efforts "are simply something to do until summer gets here" is blatantly irresponsible and ridiculous. The bottom line is that all good coaches, HS and summer, are trying help develop kids and make their dreams obtainable. Your statements are fiction, baseless, hurtful, and just plain show you have no clue.

Agree with Baseballer29.....College coach may call HS coach concerning character and leadership qualities but, in terms of playing ability, they depend upon performance at summer/fall team tournaments, showcase events and college camps. This is particularly true with coaches from the higher level programs.

Top statewide HS players will draw the attention of a regional college recruiting coordinator but coaches will still want to see them play against the best competition.

High school coach relevancy...interesting thread. My son played for a high school coach who vigorously promoted a small group of players through their high school years. Where are they now? I think one is actually still playing in their second year of college. Our experience was that hs coaching was highly subjective, not well informed, disingeuous. Our son, who is still playing college ball, was helped so much more by club and tournament team coaching.

I am really sorry to hear that many of you have had bad experiences with your high school coaches. I just flat out disagree with the argument that high school coaches are irrelevant. As for metroclub's point, it happens quite often that players who achieve success in HS loose interest, get injured, or do not continue to develop. It also happens quite often that players in HS continue to improve and develop more in college. While it sounds as if you are enjoying the fact that your son is playing well and the others are not fairing quite as well - don't you think that is just wrong? Why don't you enjoy the fact that your son is doing well and hope the others do well also? ....I would bet your son's high school coach is equally proud of all his former players. I am glad that your son is doing well, but I wouldn't be so quick to judge his HS coach for promoting players that may have had more success in high school then your son. Every coach wants to see all of his players do well as individuals and more importantly as a team. I do think that that BOTH high school and summer program coaches are BOTH relevant. I am sorry to hear that most of you discount the HS coaches. I just think that is sad.

hocobaseballfan-why are you reading more into my response and the responses of others than what is clearly in their posts? Sound a bit defensive. I am not enjoying my son's friend's lack of success and never implied that. I feel sorry for the players that my son's hs coach highly promoted. Turned out they didn't know how to face adversity and challenge when they faced it in college. The coach really did them far more damage and did not prepare them for the rigors of college baseball. Enough said and a bit off topic. If you want to continue to discuss, I suggest a private message.