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Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
This is from TRhits website:




If the rest of this umpire's performance is reflected by the mechanics demonstrated on this play at the plate, and, if he is typical of what TRhit sees at games, I can understand better some of his disparaging remarks about umpires.

It still, however, is no excuse to lump all umpires together. I haven't worked with anyone in the last ten years who looked this bad, and that includes games in which I was training rookies.
"The Kids Today Do Not Swing The Bat Enough."
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Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
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Originally posted by TRhit:
Jimmy0000000


Talk about disparaging



There is nothing wrong about being honest, TWhit, you might try it.

What you will note that I didn't do was use one example to tar the entire avocation.

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Originally posted by TRhit:

--LOL


I remember reading in a child psychology class that frequent laughing is often used to mask insecurities and a lack of a credible response.
TRhitTRhit10,000+ posts
Jimmy0000000000

I have an adult psychology that says umpires have the same affliction


See how well you Do NOT know me---I am honest to a fault--that is what gets me in trouble because most people don't want to hear an honest answer

And I must say I would be very worried if you were my kids teacher

Time for "IDOL"
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Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by TRhit:
Jimmy0000000000
See how well you Do NOT know me---I am honest to a fault--


Yeah, like when you claimed I made excuses for umpires when I actually called them out for their poor judgement and performance and suggested they should be disciplined.

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And I must say I would be very worried if you were my kids teacher


Too bad. If he were he'd be taking AP classes and would have an excellent chance at a non-need based academic scholarship. He'd also be able to correct all the grammatical errors at your website.

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Time for "IDOL"


Figures.
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N NWBB10+ posts
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Originally posted by TRhit:
JIMMY03


Glad to know you are such an expert ---at least in your own mind

At least you are good for "comic relief"


I don't know about being an expert, but you're the one making people laugh.

Jimmy answers your charges and corrects your misrepresentations. (Lies)

You on the other hand resort to ignoring the facts or changing the subject when called out.

Oh, and I visited your site. It wouldn't take an expert to fix the writing erros. An 8th grade education would be enough.
C cccsdad100+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by TRhit:
Jimmy0000000000

I have an adult psychology that says umpires have the same affliction


See how well you Do NOT know me---I am honest to a fault--that is what gets me in trouble because most people don't want to hear an honest answer

And I must say I would be very worried if you were my kids teacher

Time for "IDOL"


I think your wife must have run off with an umpire or something. I wish I had a dollar for every loudmouth, egg headed coach (see YOU) that ran his/her mouth and was DEAD wrong. You have an issue with umpires and I would suspect you have an issue with alot of people you deal with in your day to day life. Cheer up and try getting along for a change.
C cccsdad100+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Jimmy03:
This is from TRhits website:




If the rest of this umpire's performance is reflected by the mechanics demonstrated on this play at the plate, and, if he is typical of what TRhit sees at games, I can understand better some of his disparaging remarks about umpires.

It still, however, is no excuse to lump all umpires together. I haven't worked with anyone in the last ten years who looked this bad, and that includes games in which I was training rookies.


Well according to Trhit, this umpire should call time out and "instruct" the players on how to slide and apply a tag.
TRhitTRhit10,000+ posts
You new members of my "FAN CLUB" must all be umpires---following Jimmy the Leader like blind mice

For the wiseguys- any umpire I would want instructing would be working with the 8U group--some of you need to read what is posted not what you want to see--nowhere did I say umpires instruct the upper ages
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C cccsdad100+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by TRhit:
You new members of my "FAN CLUB" must all be umpires---following Jimmy the Leader like blind mice

For the wiseguys- any umpire I would want instructing would be working with the 8U group--some of you need to read what is posted not what you want to see--nowhere did I say umpires instruct the upper ages


It is the coaches and parents job to instruct, it is the umpires job to umpire. As a coach the last thing I wanted was an umpire telling my kid how to play the game.
D dave0mary10+ posts
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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
TR:
I don't care what the level is, umpires should not instruct players. When my son was playing LL we had a guy that insisted on trying to "help" the kids. Most hated it, they didn't want to hear from the umpire during the game.


I politely disagree. It's been a while, but in the LL games I've done, there was some light inst. And the coaches/fans appreciated it ... and told me so. The greatest compliment I've ever heard is: "I can tell you really enjoy working with kids". Even better than "good job blue" (which you only hear if their team won anyway).
ALL umpires need to develop a philosophy. Mine is each and every kid is my hero. Playing sports and learning how to deal with disappointment AND victory. That's what life dishes out; and these kids are then better prepared for it. What you are trying to say is you're there just to officiate and be invisible. While that is true; you can still be a member of society and offer some help occasionally.
Sure, I've seen guys over do it; "coach" I should say. It was all about them and it was clear to see.
But there are those of us who, after the game, would talk to the coach and tell him/her that "#7 drops his shoulder alot at the plate". When I've done that, much appreciation comes my way. If you don't, I do not fault you because you are right as well. No, I don't do it often at all. So please don't say it's wrong of me as well. It's a matter of philosophy. But remember, you can pick any given game situation you've been in and say that would be wrong. True. There has been times when I felt like addressing a player, and knew the game situation wouldn't fit. I adapt.
F 3FingeredGlove1,000+ posts
There's a big difference between coaching players on skills versus helping to teach players the rules or safety related items. For example, in the first year that pitchers are subject to the balk rules, I think it is a good idea for umpires to explain why a particular move is a balk during the course of the game. Teaching or cautioning a beginning player to not throw the bat is most easily handled in a game situation by the umpire. If an 8 year old first baseman is taking routine throws while standing on top of the bag, then tell him what he needs to do.

But teaching how to hit? I don't see how you can do that and appear to be objective.
Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
For example, in the first year that pitchers are subject to the balk rules, I think it is a good idea for umpires to explain why a particular move is a balk during the course of the game.


"That's a balk, started and stopped."

"That's a balk, didn't come set."

That's all they need to know. I don't have time to get into "why" the rulesmakes decided to punish those moves.
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Michael S. TaylorMichael S. Taylor1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by dave0mary:
quote:
Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
TR:
I don't care what the level is, umpires should not instruct players. When my son was playing LL we had a guy that insisted on trying to "help" the kids. Most hated it, they didn't want to hear from the umpire during the game.


I politely disagree. It's been a while, but in the LL games I've done, there was some light inst. And the coaches/fans appreciated it ... and told me so. The greatest compliment I've ever heard is: "I can tell you really enjoy working with kids". Even better than "good job blue" (which you only hear if their team won anyway).
ALL umpires need to develop a philosophy. Mine is each and every kid is my hero. Playing sports and learning how to deal with disappointment AND victory. That's what life dishes out; and these kids are then better prepared for it. What you are trying to say is you're there just to officiate and be invisible. While that is true; you can still be a member of society and offer some help occasionally.
Sure, I've seen guys over do it; "coach" I should say. It was all about them and it was clear to see.
But there are those of us who, after the game, would talk to the coach and tell him/her that "#7 drops his shoulder alot at the plate". When I've done that, much appreciation comes my way. If you don't, I do not fault you because you are right as well. No, I don't do it often at all. So please don't say it's wrong of me as well. It's a matter of philosophy. But remember, you can pick any given game situation you've been in and say that would be wrong. True. There has been times when I felt like addressing a player, and knew the game situation wouldn't fit. I adapt.


There is a huge difference between explaining a rule to a coach or player. I have been complimented many times in how I explain to lower level kids and coaches why something was called. If you have a conversation with a coach about something you have noticed, that's not too bad, I've done that. However, coaching a kid during a game should never be done at any level.
JMoffJMoff1,000+ posts
The best umpires I've had at the club level (10-15) have always been the ones who make the call and then explain it in simple English so everyone understands. Kind of like the best NFL refs who will not just say, "Call Stands". But, "The replay showed the receiver was down by contact when #21 touched him at the 42." It isn't much, but it makes you think they know what they're talking about.

I've had umpires call balks where us coaches all look at each other wondering why, then we ask the umpire to explain his call to the pitcher only to get, "IT'S NOT MY JOB TO COACH YOU'RE TEAM, TEACH YOUR PITCHER TO FOLLOW THE RULES". We have no clue what the call was, or why, haven't seen anything ourselves, yet know if we walk out there to ask, we'll get tossed. So we simply instruct the poor kid to try again and hope one of us picks something up before the run is balked home.

Fortunately, the vast majority of umpires aren't like this. At the lower levels, I've seen a call made, everyone wonder why and the umpire turn around to the stands and explain interference or obstruction to everyone. Granted it's probably bad form in the mechanic, but in a 10U game it goes a long way to making everyone simply understand what's going on. Can't be done it HS, but if it's done at 10-13U more, it wouldn't have to be because we'd all know the rules by the time we got to HS.

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