How often does a player transfer to a Juco for the spring semester, after attending 4-year institution in the fall, and make the baseball team? (Assume the player was on the team at the 4 year school.)
How does that even work? Does the player reach out to the Juco coach in early January and say he would like to be considered for the team?
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Francis
is the JC Coach aware of your son ability to help his team. Has he received a scout report? Is this California Texas, Arizona?
Bob
@Francis7 posted:How often does a player transfer to a Juco for the spring semester, after attending 4-year institution in the fall, and make the baseball team? (Assume the player was on the team at the 4 year school.)
How does that even work? Does the player reach out to the Juco coach in early January and say he would like to be considered for the team?
Simple question. Why wasn't your son advised as to the transfer process before he left the D2?
https://www.athleticscholarshi...a-transfer-rules.htm
The above is pretty simple to understand the process.
Here is another:
I would suggest you ask Rick at Informed Athlete rick@informedathlete.com
FWIW, this is not a question on eligibility. More so, it is a question on how to proceed when you transfer midyear and you are eligible to play and want to play at the Juco.
@Francis7 posted:How often does a player transfer to a Juco for the spring semester, after attending 4-year institution in the fall, and make the baseball team? (Assume the player was on the team at the 4 year school.)
How does that even work? Does the player reach out to the Juco coach in early January and say he would like to be considered for the team?
Just to expand...
Say the fall semester at the 4 year was August through December. And the spring semester at the Juco starts mid to late January...just about one month before the start of the spring baseball season.
Now, the player was not at the Juco in the fall and didn't attend any of the team meetings, practices or scrimmages. (He was doing that at his 4 year school.)
When classes start in January at the Juco, what does the player do if he wants to play? Related, does he have any realistic shot at rostering at the Juco when he's just joining the school one month before the season and wasn't part of any of their fall workouts?
I personally know of 4 kids who faced this exact same situation. Were cut buy their D1 schools and now are at different Jucos around the country. They started calling Juco's the day after they got cut to set up "interviews", bullpens, etc. 3 got money, 1 is walking on.
I think it is harder if you just show up than if you were invited but if you can help the team and they have a slot they will play anyone who will help the team. I think your son, not you, needs to call juco coach today and say I'm enrolled at your school. I was at XYZ school in the fall but I enrolled in your school for the spring semester. Is there any possibility that you have any slots left for the spring.? It is a long shot but your son's only shot. How has he not already contacted the juco before now?
@Francis7 posted:Just to expand...
Say the fall semester at the 4 year was August through December. And the spring semester at the Juco starts mid to late January...just about one month before the start of the spring baseball season.
Now, the player was not at the Juco in the fall and didn't attend any of the team meetings, practices or scrimmages. (He was doing that at his 4 year school.)
When classes start in January at the Juco, what does the player do if he wants to play? Related, does he have any realistic shot at rostering at the Juco when he's just joining the school one month before the season and wasn't part of any of their fall workouts?
JUCO Coaches are actively looking to backfill, they use twitter as their main method of communication.
Francis:
Does your son have a Pro Scout evaluation? Does he have a friend on the JC team? Where is the Spring Trip?
Bob
Hi Bob - this doesn't pertain to my son.
Did your son walk into the coach’s office and introduce himself the day he made the decision to attend? If not, he should have. If you’re from the area chances are the coach would know of him. The sooner the better.
At Texas juco's pretty much anyone can get a look from the HC or AC - they're extremely accessible. If someone makes the team better, they'll find a way to make it work. It's been said a bunch, but he needs to talk to the coaching staff and see if there's fit.
I'm sure it happens, but I've never heard of any D1 mid-year transfer just showing up at a juco without being told by the juco coach in advance that he would make the team.
I imagine 99% of kids transferring reach out in advance not only so they have a shot at making the team but more importantly so they can work their class schedule around practice and traveling.
Doing it in reverse is only going to cause problems - something you don't want when you're trying to make an impression.
Ask a coach from the former 4 year school or another coach/scout that knows of the player's abilities to reach out to the JUCO coach to vouch for the player's abilities. If the referring coach has a good reputation with the JUCO, this may not only open the door with the coach but also alleviate the need for the player to "tryout" for the JUCO team. Also, if the player is not intent on going to one particular JUCO, ask the same supporters if they know of particular JUCOs that may be looking for players at the subject player's position. If the JUCO is looking for help at the player's preferred position, they will be more welcoming to a mid-year transfer. Whichever path the player chooses, they need to contact the JUCO ASAP since many programs have already started practicing and have games starting later this month (at least in California).
Player go 4 year to JUCO mid year all the time.
edited to add: that’s why JUCO players should never get comfortable if they win a spot in the Fall.
@3and2Fastball posted:Player go 4 year to JUCO mid year all the time.
I asked someone with connections to a Juco program the question. And, his answer was: "There were so many times, in the fall, where we thought we had a contender for the World Series. And, then, in the spring, our roster was totally different because kids lost their eligibility because they failed classes in the fall. The roster in the spring is rarely what it is in the fall."
99% of the time there are discussions and an agreement before the transfer takes place. The discussions can be initiated by the player, the coaches at the 4 year school, or an intermediary. Those discussions cover the players reasons for wanting to transfer and what he can expect at the JuCo that will receive him. This is done to determine if it’s a good fit for both parties. When everyone is in agreement that it’s a good fit the transfer is initiated. That’s how it normally works.
Adbono;
Absolutely correct. In California, the JC and the 4 year Coaches are communicating daily. Can you imagine 10-12 JC players "red shirt" each year.
The College Summer League is very important for the player's experience.
Bob
Another question. Can a player at a 4 year school transfer DURING the fall semester to a Juco and be eligible to play at the Juco during the following spring semester season? (I think the answer is yes.)
@Francis7 posted:Another question. Can a player at a 4 year school transfer DURING the fall semester to a Juco and be eligible to play at the Juco during the following spring semester season? (I think the answer is yes.)
There is often a problem transferring during a semester w/o losing course credits. It’s virtually impossible to pick up where you left off at the original school. Because of that there is usually a date within the first month of classes after which transfers are not accepted. However, it would be possible to transfer during semester if you were willing to forfeit a full semester of credit hours. But I’m not sure you would be eligible to play immediately under that scenario. The better (and common) approach would be to finish the fall semester at the 4 year school snd transfer to the JuCo during semester break - and you would be eligible to play at the JuCo in the spring.
A mid semester transfer would be rare. You would have to exclusively sign up for 2nd 1/2 of semester courses. Taking a full course load in 6-8 weeks would be difficult for a few reasons (finding open classes, getting them to work with the schedule, and a semester's course load in 1/2 the time is going to be a lot of work for anybody, anywhere).
Considering the organizing bodies are different I would imagine the answer is yes. The easiest answer would be to ask the coach or the athletic dept at that school.
If there is no recruiting involved I really wouldn't worry about it at all.
Related question - can anyone scrimmage with a team in the fall? Do they even need to be enrolled in the school to practice with the team and/or participate in a scrimmage game?
One must be enrolled in the school and taking classes to participate.
I am assuming this is for all divisions.
@TPM posted:One must be enrolled in the school and taking classes to participate.
I am assuming this is for all divisions.
Well, the story I heard is that a kid who is currently enrolled at a 4 year school is participating in scrimmages at a Juco to see if he's interested in transferring there in the spring semester. But, that's hearsay and I have no idea if that's an accurate report.
@Francis7 posted:Well, the story I heard is that a kid who is currently enrolled at a 4 year school is participating in scrimmages at a Juco to see if he's interested in transferring there in the spring semester. But, that's hearsay and I have no idea if that's an accurate report.
Doesn't sound accurate.
@Francis7 posted:Well, the story I heard is that a kid who is currently enrolled at a 4 year school is participating in scrimmages at a Juco to see if he's interested in transferring there in the spring semester. But, that's hearsay and I have no idea if that's an accurate report.
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@Francis7 posted:Related question - can anyone scrimmage with a team in the fall? Do they even need to be enrolled in the school to practice with the team and/or participate in a scrimmage game?
My son is at a D3. One of the seniors has so many credits that if he took classes this fall, he'd be able to graduate in December. He decided to take the semester off and will enroll in classes in the spring and play on the team. He's been at the fall scrimmages but is in shorts and a t-shirt and hanging out in the dugout. My son said since he's not enrolled, he's not allowed to practice.
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I would think the insurance thing would be the key. But, aren't juco and some other levels (D2?) allowed to work individual players out on their campuses? There must be some insurance arrangement for that. What is the difference between that and participating in scrimmages?
Another Parent;
Schools have a "blanket insurance for Camps. In California, each Conference has "rules" for tryouts and Non-students at a baseball scrimmage.
The current players may not appreciate a "outsider" appearing at a practice. Successful California JC's have strong team chemistry.
Bob
There is a difference between a recruit trying out, which is allowed in some divisions and playing on a team while not enrolled in classes.
Insurance is a separate issue and more than likely player/parent has to sign a waiver for camps or tryout.
It is an NCAA rule, that to practice or play, one must be enrolled.
