MLB swing clips

Several of us must have all tried to look at them at once... because the DOWNLOAD speed is terrible..... I'm still waiting

Sorry SDBB.

I wish I could control that .

Seadog

The choices we make dictate the lives we lead.

Seadog - thanks for the link. These are excellent. My broadband gobbled them up on the download - no problems here.

"Son, when you pitch a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know."

Thanks, Dog

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Seadog,

Good stuff, thanks.

Not to start any arguments, but there are a few things very noticable. Wonder what others think?

Chin starting on front shoulder ending up at back shoulder. Don't remember who, but did someone say this doesn't ever happen. These are some great hitters and it's happening.

Follow thru seems to be high in all these guys. The great hitters seem to have a fluid stroke in forward or reverse. I would guess that these guys think the follow thru is an important part of their swing.

Swing path and extension. Very interesting comment from Big Mac. "Tries to get as much extension as possible" I know he was a big strong guy, but I really liked his swing.

Olerud's swing is silky smooth. Even if it's off the Tee.

Hey guys- Here is a clip of my swing- critique away- had to move quick because of 10sec time limit on the camera movie
Cuban's Swing

Cuban-

I'm obsessed with this coiling part of the swing now,so keep that in mind,but it may not be a bad part to be obsessed with.You don't get fully coiled because you keep the weight back.I would think in terms of Epstein's "drop and tilt".The weight needs to more forward at balance when you drop the front heel and trigger the hips to rotate open to the max.Then the tilt of the shoulders will be in a way that keeps the torso from just imediately unwinding and running out of gas.Instead the torso will create more coil with the drop and tilt to power the swing and you can then turn better to contact.
As it is now,your hips slide and the body just pulls open.The torso runs out of gas,the arms extend and the bat swings in the arm plane,down instead of swinging in the momentum plane of the body.You need to experience the effortless power of drop and tilt,then build on this.

Thanks for the tips Mr. Guerry- I will work on the coil more. Just refining before the season

Cuban

PGStaff-

Imagine a dialogue between Big Mac and Gwynn.

Mac talks about getting extension.Gwynn replies as in his analysis of Bonds:

"The more you can keep the hands inside the ball,the better hitter you are going to be..........People have said you can't pull that bat through on a parallel plane..a kind of flat plane and generate any pop.Well,I give you Barry Bonds because that's exactly what he does."

I think they are describing two different but both entirely rotational styles,the Mac variety(same as Lau type,Arod,High "THT" more separation) beig longer,less quick but with higher maximum batspeed,but staying in zone longer due to relatively longer swing radius.Still I would think the Bonds approach overall has lower timing error and doesn't give up much in the way of power/max batspeed.

see Gwynn's analysis of Bonds,frame 4
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/gallery/bonds/flash.htm

WOW.... Love the Gut on the coach loading Edgar's Tee..... Makes me feel right at home

cong

"In baseball, you don't know nothing." - Yogi

Mac talks about extension AFTER contact. Short to the ball and long after the ball.

Tom,

Don't get too caught up on coiling. To large of an inward front shoulder turn (showing your number to the P) and you will start pulling out. Not to mention not seeing the ball with both eyes.

Compliments to redbird & CO.

Here is a post from one who is in the know about the extension I mentioned.

If your serious about hitting, read a few pages of this thread at this point a couple of years ago.

Short to the ball, long in the finish(extension)

Shep Cares

quote:

extension AFTER contact. Short to the ball and long after the ball.

Remember your question to me about what I meant the other day about extension.

This is what redbird5 said a couple of years ago.

WB Soon, Shep

If you really want to learn alot about what has been dicussed on the hitting thread with about 20,000 hits-lol, click on site listed by Tom.querry post and play it frame by frame.

Listen carefully to Tony Gwynn's audio>

Shep

Cuban...thanks for the look. I would adjust the upper body box. If the lead elbow is down and in ( and it seemed in decent position then the rear elbow would need to be higher and in more . You shrunk the box at the top of the load. I think the hands never loaded and I would play with loading the bottom hand under the top more and get some forearm stretch at the top.

Tom is correct about the negative move being a coil not slide and timing the hand load with the hip coil could help. You whole deal can be fixed in the preswing/ load and posture IMO

You seem a little tall and a better spine angle will add feet to the ball flight...guranteed. I watch kids take a swing and then say posture and they adjust 3-4 inches and the same swing yields better ball flight instantly. You need to maintain that posture through the rotation and you seem to be standing up out of the rotation.
that is a function of all of the above

Buster-

Concerning the issue of standing up, see
BOBBY JONES ON GOLF, chapter 7,"STAYING DOWN TO THE BALL" pp.116-7.

This is typical of Jones BRILLIANT writing which actually achieves his goal in writing the book-

"Let me repeat that I have not tried to produce a manual for instructors nor a guide for learners but rather a distillation of all that I have learned about the playing of golf during at least a half century of devotion to the game."

The whole of Chap 7 is an incredible review of the swing,much of which applies to hitting and motor skill acquisition in general.

Perhaps the best sports instructional book of its time.

Hey Tom.Q

Its Shep.

In frame 3 of Gwynn's analysis of BB's swing it is apparent to recognize the tremendous power V on front side hip at the very beginning of rotational movement of hips in the unloading process.

This is the key to compliment, so to speak, the other variables we have discussed.

Always enjoy this banter we have on this thread.

Shep

Here's a good thread from back in Jan some of you might remember It has some excellent points of instruction on high level swings. Good Night Board! Enjoy!
peace, shep

Great thread. Thanks for posting and bumping. The link to the clips does not seem to be working though. The bonds thing is fantastic!! Thanks.

Tim

Guys. The Bonds clip is great. Does anyone know if there are any others out there like this and where to find them?

Thanks,

Tim