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Due to a recent surgery I just finished rereading Moneyball and noticed this interesting topic. If you follow the book closely you will notice that it appears to be mostly an ode to Billy Beane's "genius" by the author. Most of the players used as an example of the sabermetric approach outside of Swisher, Bradford, and Teahan haven't panned out since the book was written. While I think it is true too many scouts get hooked on pure "tools" and too many sabermetric guys on stats, the best baseball players are somewhere in between. Too much money is at stake to project players wrong by the old subjective methods. You don't pass on drafting players like the Upton brothers just because they are high school players. By the same token you don't pass on a John Kruk or Kirby Pucket because they don't "look " like a BB player should look. So there needs to be newer methods to evaluate players with so much at stake especially for small market teams. By the way, I insisted both my sons be deep count yet aggressive hitters from a very young age. I also love stolen bases but agree that stats show if you don't steal 75% or better you are hurting your team's run production. Neither outlook is an endall in itself.
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I think maybe Scott Hataberg has panned out for the teams he has played for the last few years.

I agree that 5 tool players with the great OPS stats would be the ideal players to draft. But how many Jacob Ellsbeys (sp) are there out there? And then when you consider the character issues of the players [See Tampa Bay's recent history] being drafted in the first round, it is difficult to find the needle in the haystack so to speak.

Once the first round is over, then you have to decide which part of the balance scale you lean on for the remaining 20+ rounds. More toward tools, regardless of stats or more toward stats, regardless or tools? If I were GM of a small market team I, for one, would chose the latter for a variety of reasons but the one that would keep my owner happiest is, STAT GUYS ARE STILL CHEAPER TO SIGN.

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Originally posted by HaverDad:
re: stat guys are only stat guys because someone lumped them in that category, forgetting their other talents. what happened to the intangibles (pedigree, mental smarts, baseball mind & instincts, desire, work ethic, heart, leadership)???

What your point? Are you saying that "stats guys" don't understand intangibles?


No, I'm saying people throw this term out there and call a player a "stat player" (read moneyball) and in fact they also have other characteristics that go unnoticed....so quite the contrary.

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