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F FarmingtonTigers13Member
Hi, Im a town-league (still high-school rules) pitcher and we just played a game last night we had a terrible ump and he made several bad calls. I just want to double check on these:

1.) Our starting pitcher pitched and the batter tried bunting, the ball hit the bottom of the bat and flew out of the field, the other team claimed that it hit the batters hand and the ump sided with them, resulting in a walk... Aren't the rules that if the player's body is in the strike-zone and the ball hits them, its called a strike?

2.) The other team switched their line-up without telling us and we calmly approached the ump and explained to him that they switched their line-up and didn't tell us and the correct call would be an automatic out, he did not agree and let them proceed, what is the correct ruling?

3.) I was up to bat and the count was full, the pitcher threw a ball and i read it right away, i turned away to toss the bat towards the dugout with one hand on the bat not going through the strike-zone and the ump called a strike even though the pitch was way out of the strike-zone, whats the correct ruling if it was clearly not a swing?

4.) Right after that call, i walked back to the dugout and punched the wall, breaking my knuckle. But aside from that, I was the closing pitcher and yes, i still pitched with the knuckle. I threw a ball and the batter swung at it, but the ball hit him in the head. The ump awarded the batter 1st base, until our coach confronted him saying it should be called strike three and a out, the ump, trying to make a compromise, decided to call a foul ball. The two teams were arguing abouth the call the rest of the inning. Wouldn't the batter be called out for swinging causing strike three?
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piaa_umppiaa_ump5,000+ posts
There is a whole lot of wrong here and a bunch of missing information, but I'll take a crack at it.....you may need to supply some more info....

1. For example......you say the ball flew out of the field.......flew where?.....foul?.... so much of this is a "Had to be there" and "have to know the umpires side of the story".....but...here goes....

If the batter was bunting and but did not offer and his hand was struck by the ball out of the zone, it could be a HBP and he could be awarded 1st base.....(umpire judgement HTBT)

If the batter was bunting and the ball hit his hand, then it would be a dead ball strike.....

If the batter was bunting and the ball hit the bottom of the bat and went foul, then its a foul ball....

If the batter was bunting and the ball hit the bottom of the bat and went fair, then it is a fair ball.......

in no case could it result in a walk........

2. The other team switched their lineup.........when did you discover that the lineup had been switched???...........the standard appeal time applies to the appeal of an improper batter.......

3. HTBT..........sounds as if you gave up on the pitch....remember you bat, he umpires....only his decision counts as to if it was a strike or not.....

Always wait until the umpire calls the pitch to toss the bat.........

4. Hope your knuckle is healing quickly and you learned a lesson......that was foolish.....if you had broken your hand you could have caused your team to lose a pitcher for the rest of the season.......

Players involved in fist fights with dugouts, water coolers and clubhouse doors usually lose....

If you threw a pitch the batter swung at it and it hit him in the head it is a dead ball strike.....and if it was strike 3 then the batter is out............

All in all it sounds to me as if it was a combination of bad umpiring, bad coaching and bad play........lets let the rest of the HSBBW umpiring brotherhood chime in with their .02
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F FarmingtonTigers13Member
1.) Yes, the ball flew out of the field foul. (i supplied that info because there is no way that it would fly out of the field foul if it hit his hand.) He was attempting to bunt and the bat was in the strike zone.

2.) We discovered they switched their line-up when their #2 batter came up to bat in the #7 batter spot. and immediately notified and discussed it with the ump.

3.) I agree, but not even professional players have a 10 foot 12-6 curve.

Thanks for the Help!
Michael S. TaylorMichael S. Taylor1,000+ posts
1) I'm trying to understand the bunt situation. Whether it it hit his hand or bat it isn't going to go out of play if it hit on the bottom. PIAA explained the different possiblilities so pick the one that fits what happened.
2) How did they change the line-up? Did they re-enter a player in the wrong spot or did they simply bat out of order. It makes a difference in the enforcement, when and what.
3) As PIAA said, wait for the ump to make a call before you decide to go to first.
4)Punching inanimate objects is not smart, work on this. If he swings it should be a dead ball and a strike.
Just as an aside, when asking a question on an umpire board, it isn't a good idea to start out slamming the crew before you ask a question. Let us decide whether the crew has messed up or you just didn't like the outcome.
jjkjjk500+ posts
quote:
Hi, Im a town-league (still high-school rules) pitcher and we just played a game last night we had a terrible ump and he made several bad calls. I just want to double check on these:

JJK: No you had a great ump with two bad teams.
Okay, I didn't mean it! But this is an umpire forum, so you might not want to start your post that way.

1.) Our starting pitcher pitched and the batter tried bunting, the ball hit the bottom of the bat and flew out of the field, the other team claimed that it hit the batters hand and the ump sided with them, resulting in a walk... Aren't the rules that if the player's body is in the strike-zone and the ball hits them, its called a strike?

JJK: Yes, if the batter is in the Strike Zone it is a strike. What was the umpires initial call (prior to the lobbying by the other team). Was the player trying to back away from the pitch, did he go down in a heap holding his hand in pain? Just not enough info on this one.

2.) The other team switched their line-up without telling us and we calmly approached the ump and explained to him that they switched their line-up and didn't tell us and the correct call would be an automatic out, he did not agree and let them proceed, what is the correct ruling?

JJK: If by switched you mean substituted, that is fine, there is no penalty for an "unannounced" legal substitution.

3.) I was up to bat and the count was full, the pitcher threw a ball and i read it right away, i turned away to toss the bat towards the dugout with one hand on the bat not going through the strike-zone and the ump called a strike even though the pitch was way out of the strike-zone, whats the correct ruling if it was clearly not a swing?

JJK: The correct ruling is ball or strike, sounds like this was a strike.

4.) Right after that call, i walked back to the dugout and punched the wall, breaking my knuckle.

JJK: If you played for me, you would be runnning until I got tired or until the knuckle healed, which ever took longer. Not joking either, you are a team member, there is no benefit to your team for such actions.

But aside from that, I was the closing pitcher and yes, i still pitched with the knuckle. I threw a ball and the batter swung at it, but the ball hit him in the head. The ump awarded the batter 1st base, until our coach confronted him saying it should be called strike three and a out, the ump, trying to make a compromise, decided to call a foul ball. The two teams were arguing abouth the call the rest of the inning. Wouldn't the batter be called out for swinging causing strike three?


JJK: No comment here, except, "both teams" have nothing to argue about here. Perhaps, a head coach may argue with the UMPIRE. Teams certainly shouldn't be arguing over an umpires call except quietly amongst themselves in their dugout/s. Teams are there to play ball, not bawl. You will get some bad calls, so what, it's not gonna change, it has no bearing on the rest of the game, move on, and play through it, encourage your teammates to do the same, nothing productive can come of whining about a call no matter how bad, how unfair you thought it was.
P pilsner500+ posts
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2.) We discovered they switched their line-up when their #2 batter came up to bat in the #7 batter spot. and immediately notified and discussed it with the ump.

Are you saying that the #2 batter batted in the #2 spot and then came to the plate again in the #7 spot or the #2 batter and the #7 batter switched places in the batting order?
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F FarmingtonTigers13Member
Michael S Taylor-

1.) I am not exactly sure where the pitch hit. All i know is the batter was trying to bunt and it hit somewhere on the bat close to the hands and flew out of the field foul.

2.) They re-entered a batter in the incorrect spot. (the #2 batter batted in the correct spot and also came back to bat in the #7 spot.)

Thanks and Sorry about the Slam.

Also it is 14/15/16 age group.
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P pilsner500+ posts
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2.) They re-entered a batter in the incorrect spot. (the #2 batter batted in the correct spot and also came back to bat in the #7 spot.)

If the player was substituted for then reentered in the wrong place in the batting order he became an illegal player. He should have been called out and restricted to the bench for the remainder of the game.

If he wasn't substituted for but batted #2 then came to the plate again in the #7 spot then he was batting out of order. Since the discovery was made before he completed his time at bat he should have been sent back to the bench and the correct batter brought to the plate with any count the incorrect batter had at the time of discovery.
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