My fellow Webericans:

Fun article.  

The author neglected to mention that the majority of millennials favor socialism over capitalism.  Doomed....

Hence the support for Bernie.

I loved the part about the Facebook post.  If you don't support Bernie I won't be your friend.  Tolerance at its best.

I agree with the article my generations sucks, but on the positive it is very easy for me to stand out. At 26 I stick out like a sore thumb, I don't have a Snapchat or Instagram and refuse to believe everything I read on Facebook. Not bragging, but I have made it through the ranks pretty quickly in my career due to the fact that hardwork and keeping your mouth shut are two foreign things to my generation. Another thing is the fact that Myspace, iPods, Cellphones(more than calling), Youtube all became popular when I was in 8th/9th grade. Before that it was dial-up and AOL Chat, so for a chunk of our life the internet wasn't dominating. Seems like overnight we were taken over by the web and posting things to be "seen".  Once we felt like we had a voice in everything at 15(no matter how wrong) 10yrs later that entitlement gave us a false sense of reality. 

BigHurt posted:

I agree with the article my generations sucks, but on the positive it is very easy for me to stand out. At 26 I stick out like a sore thumb, I don't have a Snapchat or Instagram and refuse to believe everything I read on Facebook. Not bragging, but I have made it through the ranks pretty quickly in my career due to the fact that hardwork and keeping your mouth shut are two foreign things to my generation. Another thing is the fact that Myspace, iPods, Cellphones(more than calling), Youtube all became popular when I was in 8th/9th grade. Before that it was dial-up and AOL Chat, so for a chunk of our life the internet wasn't dominating. Seems like overnight we were taken over by the web and posting things to be "seen".  Once we felt like we had a voice in everything at 15(no matter how wrong) 10yrs later that entitlement gave us a false sense of reality. 

Man, BH.  That's some pretty cool perspective.  You didn't happen to do a stint in the military too did You?  You seem pretty level headed. 

 I guess people whose lives have been turned into a reality show, parents videoing everything, social media to craft an image for the world are almost helpless not to see themselves as more important than thwy really are. 

Add in affirmative action and you also have a recipee for people believing that willful ignorance will solve a multitude of problems.  Hence Bernie. 

Teaching Elder posted:

BigHurt posted:

I agree with the article my generations sucks, but on the positive it is very easy for me to stand out. At 26 I stick out like a sore thumb, I don't have a Snapchat or Instagram and refuse to believe everything I read on Facebook. Not bragging, but I have made it through the ranks pretty quickly in my career due to the fact that hardwork and keeping your mouth shut are two foreign things to my generation. Another thing is the fact that Myspace, iPods, Cellphones(more than calling), Youtube all became popular when I was in 8th/9th grade. Before that it was dial-up and AOL Chat, so for a chunk of our life the internet wasn't dominating. Seems like overnight we were taken over by the web and posting things to be "seen".  Once we felt like we had a voice in everything at 15(no matter how wrong) 10yrs later that entitlement gave us a false sense of reality. 

Man, BH.  That's some pretty cool perspective.  You didn't happen to do a stint in the military too did You?  You seem pretty level headed. 

 I guess people whose lives have been turned into a reality show, parents videoing everything, social media to craft an image for the world are almost helpless not to see themselves as more important than thwy really are. 

Add in affirmative action and you also have a recipee for people believing that willful ignorance will solve a multitude of problems.  Hence Bernie. 

No military, though majority of my family has served their country. Just was raised in a no nonsense household where you address every elder with the title of ma'am or sir and embraced the phrase "hard work pays off". So many parents seem to not want to push their kids out of fear that they will hate them or damage them. When I was in my mid to late teens I couldn't stand my parents for they never took it easy on me. Now I try to thank them everyday, because they helped me develop into a decent adult. 

Please remember that there are millions of sites where you can discuss religion and politics. 

This isn't one of them.

This commentary on the millennial generation is drifting toward a political discussion, and this site isn't the place to argue capitalism vs. socialism or Bernie vs. non-Bernie. 

Please try to keep some connection to baseball.

Thanks.

I post on a 6u-14u board and there was recently a discussion about a coach purposely blowing pool play....why....so his team could get into a lower bracket.  Why would you want your team in a lower bracket...well (as bballman pointed out) the winner of the silver bracket still gets a berth to the national tourney while the second place team in the gold bracket doesn't get anything. 

So, how do we keep Millennial thinking from taking over sports?  How about the winners get the prize and the even the best of the losers get nothing?  Wouldn't that be a novel concept?

BigHurt posted:

I agree with the article my generations sucks, but on the positive it is very easy for me to stand out. At 26 I stick out like a sore thumb, I don't have a Snapchat or Instagram and refuse to believe everything I read on Facebook. Not bragging, but I have made it through the ranks pretty quickly in my career due to the fact that hardwork and keeping your mouth shut are two foreign things to my generation. Another thing is the fact that Myspace, iPods, Cellphones(more than calling), Youtube all became popular when I was in 8th/9th grade. Before that it was dial-up and AOL Chat, so for a chunk of our life the internet wasn't dominating. Seems like overnight we were taken over by the web and posting things to be "seen".  Once we felt like we had a voice in everything at 15(no matter how wrong) 10yrs later that entitlement gave us a false sense of reality. 

BigHurt - You sound a lot like my 24 year old son.  He is very anti-social media which is unusual for his age.  He doesn't own a TV.  He'd rather use the money to travel.  

He would argue that your "generation" has brought us the best baseball players and athletes to date, and I can't argue that point as I agree with him.

Our kids who have worked very hard to achieve in sports have learned the mental discipline a lot of Millennials have not. There isn't any grade inflation in baseball.

On the subject of grade inflation if your kid doesn't get a 3.5 in college he's an average student. Most colleges grade on a curve of 3.0 to 3.3. If you're average getting a job won't be easy.

RJM posted:

Our kids who have worked very hard to achieve in sports have learned the mental discipline a lot of Millennials have not. There isn't any grade inflation in baseball.

On the subject of grade inflation if your kid doesn't get a 3.5 in college he's an average student. Most colleges grade on a curve of 3.0 to 3.3. If you're average getting a job won't be easy.

I think it depends what kind of job you are looking for RJM.  At my college if you didn't have a 3.0 GPA in the Elementary Education Program you got booted out.  Whereas in many science programs only a 2.0 was required to stay in the program.

I remember one day coming home from a 4 hour organic chemistry lab where I was handed a Lipton tea bag and told to extract the caffeine, brutal lab!  If your caffeine wasn't 99.5% pure or greater you failed the lab.  Anyway, got home and saw one of my housemates who looked like he had had a brutal day as well and he confirmed he had.  As I'm trying to picture what a brutal day meant to an Elementary education major he explained how he had to make a picture cube for the Rainbow fish book...a   p-i-c-t-u-r-e   c-u-b-e and THIS was his rough day?!?!?  I decided we probably shouldn't compare days again.

CaCO3Girl posted:

RJM posted:

Our kids who have worked very hard to achieve in sports have learned the mental discipline a lot of Millennials have not. There isn't any grade inflation in baseball.

On the subject of grade inflation if your kid doesn't get a 3.5 in college he's an average student. Most colleges grade on a curve of 3.0 to 3.3. If you're average getting a job won't be easy.

I think it depends what kind of job you are looking for RJM.  At my college if you didn't have a 3.0 GPA in the Elementary Education Program you got booted out.  Whereas in many science programs only a 2.0 was required to stay in the program.

I remember one day coming home from a 4 hour organic chemistry lab where I was handed a Lipton tea bag and told to extract the caffeine, brutal lab!  If your caffeine wasn't 99.5% pure or greater you failed the lab.  Anyway, got home and saw one of my housemates who looked like he had had a brutal day as well and he confirmed he had.  As I'm trying to picture what a brutal day meant to an Elementary education major he explained how he had to make a picture cube for the Rainbow fish book...a   p-i-c-t-u-r-e   c-u-b-e and THIS was his rough day?!?!?  I decided we probably shouldn't compare days again.

Caco...   Now now.  I have been in banking, sales and teaching. Before going to college I worked as a printer in a commercial print shop. Done some house flips. Built furniture and did remodeling in my summers while teaching. Even worked at a golf course during a couple summers. Lots of different stuff. All these jobs had their easy points and hard points. Your lab may have been the toughest thing any human being has ever had to do but there is nothing easy about being a teacher. And frankly I don't even know what a picture cube is. But then again I don't know anything about extracting caffeine either. I would simply say all jobs are different and leave it at that. 

2020dad posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

RJM posted:

Our kids who have worked very hard to achieve in sports have learned the mental discipline a lot of Millennials have not. There isn't any grade inflation in baseball.

On the subject of grade inflation if your kid doesn't get a 3.5 in college he's an average student. Most colleges grade on a curve of 3.0 to 3.3. If you're average getting a job won't be easy.

I think it depends what kind of job you are looking for RJM.  At my college if you didn't have a 3.0 GPA in the Elementary Education Program you got booted out.  Whereas in many science programs only a 2.0 was required to stay in the program.

I remember one day coming home from a 4 hour organic chemistry lab where I was handed a Lipton tea bag and told to extract the caffeine, brutal lab!  If your caffeine wasn't 99.5% pure or greater you failed the lab.  Anyway, got home and saw one of my housemates who looked like he had had a brutal day as well and he confirmed he had.  As I'm trying to picture what a brutal day meant to an Elementary education major he explained how he had to make a picture cube for the Rainbow fish book...a   p-i-c-t-u-r-e   c-u-b-e and THIS was his rough day?!?!?  I decided we probably shouldn't compare days again.

Caco...   Now now.  I have been in banking, sales and teaching. Before going to college I worked as a printer in a commercial print shop. Done some house flips. Built furniture and did remodeling in my summers while teaching. Even worked at a golf course during a couple summers. Lots of different stuff. All these jobs had their easy points and hard points. Your lab may have been the toughest thing any human being has ever had to do but there is nothing easy about being a teacher. And frankly I don't even know what a picture cube is. But then again I don't know anything about extracting caffeine either. I would simply say all jobs are different and leave it at that. 

My point wasn't to say being a teacher was easy, I certainly don't want to control a new group of 20+ kids every hour.  I was referring to RJM's point that if you have less than a 3.5 GPA you are average....I don't believe that is true for some majors.

I agree with the better training thing.  Somewhere in the very late 80s early 90s things got cheaper, more abundant and more accessible.  Dad was a senior partner at a law firm.  Still could not justify flying the family on vacations to CO, N.Y.  etc. No baseball training facilities.  No training videos. VCRs were barely around.  No PG.  No travel ball.

Early 90s airlines are dereged, costs of goods dropped. Families travel around...on airplanes even.  Access to more baseball training.  ACMI gets super high speed video and knowledge"raises the rooof."  There's a little hat tip to you millenials. Lol.

Now. y'all remember who made these nice things available.  We spent out retirements on you. Lol.

Teaching Elder posted:

I agree with the better training thing.  Somewhere in the very late 80s early 90s things got cheaper, more abundant and more accessible.  Dad was a senior partner at a law firm.  Still could not justify flying the family on vacations to CO, N.Y.  etc. No baseball training facilities.  No training videos. VCRs were barely around.  No PG.  No travel ball.

Early 90s airlines are dereged, costs of goods dropped. Families travel around...on airplanes even.  Access to more baseball training.  ACMI gets super high speed video and knowledge"raises the rooof."  There's a little hat tip to you millenials. Lol.

Now. y'all remember who made these nice things available.  We spent out retirements on you. Lol.

The administrator got all nervous about a political discussion but this is very germane.  Cheaper, abundant, accessible, technology etc.. all benefits of capitalism improved sports.  Venezuela is rationing toilet paper.

mdschert posted:

Teaching Elder posted:

I agree with the better training thing.  Somewhere in the very late 80s early 90s things got cheaper, more abundant and more accessible.  Dad was a senior partner at a law firm.  Still could not justify flying the family on vacations to CO, N.Y.  etc. No baseball training facilities.  No training videos. VCRs were barely around.  No PG.  No travel ball.

Early 90s airlines are dereged, costs of goods dropped. Families travel around...on airplanes even.  Access to more baseball training.  ACMI gets super high speed video and knowledge"raises the rooof."  There's a little hat tip to you millenials. Lol.

Now. y'all remember who made these nice things available.  We spent out retirements on you. Lol.

The administrator got all nervous about a political discussion but this is very germane.  Cheaper, abundant, accessible, technology etc.. all benefits of capitalism improved sports.  Venezuela is rationing toilet paper.

The administrators on this site do an incredible job. They have a very good feeling when things may tilt in the wrong directions and pull in the reigns. They apply plenty of lee way and things rarely get out of hand. They do a much better job than some of the admins of other websites and forums I frequent. They are one reason I keep coming back even though I do not have a son still in the game. Thanks to Julie and all the rest. 

There are other forums out there?

We'll, that's what Swampboy claims.  But I'm not so sure. No links or anything.

Mdschert,

It wasn't nervousness. It was a desire to be hospitable. People come here to learn and talk about baseball. We have lost valuable members at times over the years when they saw their political or religious views castigated in our forums. We want this site to be an oasis from the polarized political and religious arguments that poison so much of our society--a place where a common interest in baseball drives out other differences. 

PWPW posted:

There are other forums out there?

The forum I talked about doesn't really count...its 6u-14u and mostly 9u parents talking about when to start the paid private lessons and is it okay to leave a team that's loosing mid-season.  

CaCO3Girl posted:

PWPW posted:

There are other forums out there?

The forum I talked about doesn't really count...its 6u-14u and mostly 9u parents talking about when to start the paid private lessons and is it okay to leave a team that's loosing mid-season.  

Meh.  Sometimes I go into forums dedicated to 80s arcade games. Talk about esoteric.  So, your's definitely counts.  

Swampboy posted:

mdschert posted:

 

 

The administrator got all nervous about a political discussion but this is very germane.  Cheaper, abundant, accessible, technology etc.. all benefits of capitalism improved sports.  Venezuela is rationing toilet paper.

 

Mdschert,

It wasn't nervousness. It was a desire to be hospitable. People come here to learn and talk about baseball. We have lost valuable members at times over the years when they saw their political or religious views castigated in our forums. We want this site to be an oasis from the polarized political and religious arguments that poison so much of our society--a place where a common interest in baseball drives out other differences. 

Debating whether a capitalistic vs. socialistic system is better for the sport of baseball really should not be polarizing or poisoning.  Disturbing you feel that way Swampboy.

Please don't make any inferences about my political or religious views from the fact that I use my experience moderating these discussions to identify threads likely to go in a contentious direction. My heading off a discussion from becoming overtly political was not a signal that I agreed or disagreed with any of the sentiments expressed. 

I don't think anyone comes to this site for an informed discussion of competing economic systems; however, they do come here to read and talk about baseball--and that's what I want them to find when they get here.

"I find your lack of faith disturbing, Swampboy." kee- caaah.   Kee-caaah. 

Swampboy posted:

Please don't make any inferences about my political or religious views from the fact that I use my experience moderating these discussions to identify threads likely to go in a contentious direction. My heading off a discussion from becoming overtly political was not a signal that I agreed or disagreed with any of the sentiments expressed. 

I don't think anyone comes to this site for an informed discussion of competing economic systems; however, they do come here to read and talk about baseball--and that's what I want them to find when they get here.

No inferences about your political or religious views were made on my part.  Your wishes were met by connecting the subject to baseball.  I do not see contrasting economic systems with baseball in mind as contentious, polarizing or poisoning in any way.   Seems you are too PC and overreacting to my posts and that is what i find as disturbing.

It's a baseball board.  Not a political board.  Give it a rest MD.  Swampboy is a gracious and patient moderator.  

I should have connected it to baseball, but I did so very loosely to some past conversations.  Things quickly spiraled into politics and Bernie Sanders and socialism and such.

Swampboy seemed to target my posts.  Economics is not politics and should not offend, poison or polarize anyone.

I am closing this thread.  Everyone has had their say.  Please do not start another thread asking why this thread was closed.  This is a baseball site and Swampboy has been more than gratious allowing this to continue.