My kid throws like Seaver (form)

Tom Seaver


Here is a nice clip of Tom Seaver.

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Originally posted by smalltown:
As it turns out my 16 year old throws almost exactly with Seaver form right down to the dirty right knee dragging on the ground.

Seaver's a great guy to copy.

Just make sure that your son's arm action, and not just his lower body action, is similar.

Thanks. The issue is he has to ignore his High school pitching coach. Costs him some starts for doing what he knows is right

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Originally posted by smalltown:
Thanks. The issue is he has to ignore his High school pitching coach. Costs him some starts for doing what he knows is right

What does his HS pitching coach want him to do? Who does he want him to emulate?

There are some possible limitations to the drop and drive style, but if it works...

Roy Oswalt is also a type of drop and driver.

Thanks bbscout, never seen a film of Seaver, remarkable how they land on such a severely bent front leg.

Oddly enough pain guy he is concerned about landing in a squared up fielding position, archaic theory in my opinion. In the drop and drive he winds up less than square. He wants him to emulate other guys on his team, guys who have not been as successful but have a tall and fall style, weird situation in that the guy actually knows very little about pitching, which I now know after having by boy attend a real twelve week camp this winter. It really is a small town.

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Originally posted by smalltown:
Oddly enough pain guy he is concerned about landing in a squared up fielding position, archaic theory in my opinion. In the drop and drive he winds up less than square. He wants him to emulate other guys on his team, guys who have not been as successful but have a tall and fall style, weird situation in that the guy actually knows very little about pitching, which I now know after having by boy attend a real twelve week camp this winter. It really is a small town.

There's nothing necessarily wrong with trying to land squared up. It has helped to earn Maddux 14 gold gloves.



I wish every pitcher was as good a fielder as Maddux was.

Finishing in a solid fielding positioning (e.g. glove at glove-side pec) also helps to protect them from come-backers.

I teach every one of my pitchers to finish like this and am reluctant to pitch a guy who doesn't finish in a safe fielding position.

If his delivery looks like Seavers nobody can honestly justify changing his style to suit themselves. Dont let anybody fix him because he certainly is not broken.

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Originally posted by deemax:
If his delivery looks like Seavers nobody can honestly justify changing his style to suit themselves. Dont let anybody fix him because he certainly is not broken.

This photo is a thing of beauty...

1. PAS elbow just below the level of the shoulders.

2. Hips rotating well before shoulders (45+ degrees).

3. Eyes locked on the target.

3. Toe pointing at the target.

DEEMAX

If he emulates Seaver he can do no wrong---the man was a master


Now as an aside you opened up in your first post that your son throws like Seaver and then you return and state you never saw film of Seaver--- May I ask how you knew he throws like Seaver?

Are there some contradictions here?

You can square up with both types of delivery and you can do both even off flat ground.
Seaver is a true drop and drive guy. I always question people who think the coach knows nothing. Maybe true but he calls the shots.

Trhit. I have only seen a series of stills before, start of windup through to finish. That was the first video I have seen.
Pain guy great picture, love the dirt on the knee, just like my boy although he is working on consistency with the left hand glove position like Seaver shows so well in the picture you posted.
Actually Bobblehead he has tried to throw like he does on a mound off of flat ground, can't get as low as he does off the mound, probably has to do with the pushoff from the rubber which you can't duplicate without a rubber and yes he does push off hard with his style. I have surmised since he plays tons of s****r and has s****r player legs that was part of the reason why he throws with such a lower body form, something he developed on his own, fortuitously it wound up being Seaveresqe. I bet you are right he could square up better but I have always told him concentrate on making the hitter hit the pitch you want him to, your fielding the position is an afterthought, perhaps I will have his winter pitching coach address it tonight.

SmallT you don't push off the rubber in either style.
Look at the video and picturesr. There is no way you can push off a rubber with your leg extended like that.
Seaver also does a good job of squaring up in the video.