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P Diddy... How 'bout those HORNS!!!!!!!!
REGGIE WHO?
Hey TRHit... still think Vince can't play in the NFL? HA!
National Champs baby. And Vince Young is THE MAN - deserves the Championship AND the Heisman. So sweet to stuff it down the throats of all the national media declaring USC the greatest team of all time.. Keith Jackson actually called Pete Carroll the "greatest defensive coordinator and head coach of ALL TIME" - right before Vince sliced right through their defense for the win!
See my Avatar? The Tower is Lit Up #1 tonight!!!
2005 NCAA Baseball National Champions
2006 NCAA Football National Champions
what's next? 2007 Basketball National Champs!!
I believe... HOOK 'EM HORNS!!!
REGGIE WHO?
Hey TRHit... still think Vince can't play in the NFL? HA!
National Champs baby. And Vince Young is THE MAN - deserves the Championship AND the Heisman. So sweet to stuff it down the throats of all the national media declaring USC the greatest team of all time.. Keith Jackson actually called Pete Carroll the "greatest defensive coordinator and head coach of ALL TIME" - right before Vince sliced right through their defense for the win!
See my Avatar? The Tower is Lit Up #1 tonight!!!
2005 NCAA Baseball National Champions
2006 NCAA Football National Champions
what's next? 2007 Basketball National Champs!!
I believe... HOOK 'EM HORNS!!!
Natural -- your anticipated response did not disappoint. "REGGIE WHO?" <-- ok, that's a little over-the-top. I don't know what kind of pro Vince Young will become -- with the complex defenses and linebackers that run 4.5's and actually tackle -- but he is an amazing college player. He carried the team in Pasadena last year, in Columbus early this season, and last night. Wow!
Natural -- can you imagine 2011 Baseball National Champs? -- with a handful of local kids???
Natural -- can you imagine 2011 Baseball National Champs? -- with a handful of local kids???
Natural
You Texans amaze me --ego's and blindness as big as your desert state
I want to see him run from the bigger and stronger and faster pass rushers like he does from the college lineman--then we will see
He is a great athlete but there are loads of so-called "great" QB's who never made in the NFL
If he goes to the Texans he will never make it--he needs players around him and that the Texans don't have
Have agreat day or two on Cloud Nine !!!
You Texans amaze me --ego's and blindness as big as your desert state
I want to see him run from the bigger and stronger and faster pass rushers like he does from the college lineman--then we will see
He is a great athlete but there are loads of so-called "great" QB's who never made in the NFL
If he goes to the Texans he will never make it--he needs players around him and that the Texans don't have
Have agreat day or two on Cloud Nine !!!
TR -- we like to see ourselves as more of a dessert state -- specializing in pecan pie, peach cobbler, and occasional cheese cakes. IMO, arriving to throw a wet blanket on Natural's celebration is somewhat "cheesy" --- and also anticipated.
Now, that's funny! Did you know we have suburbs here bigger than Connecticut?quote:You Texans amaze me --ego's and blindness as big as your desert state
Matter of fact, until just now I didn't even realize they played baseball in Connecticut.
natural & PD I believe TRhit is a little upset because the very small state of CT does not have football. Oh yea, they do have a team in the Big Easy I mean Big East Conference. Maybe they should stick with basketball. I'm sure he is a transplant from USC, Go HORNS!!!!!!!!!!
Here ya' go, trh. {And no, I am not a tsip fan.}
"Tonight's Rose Bowl Champions vs. the '85 Bears
By ALLEN BARRA
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
January 4, 2006; Page D8
Twenty years ago, the Chicago Bears, regarded by many pro-football historians as the most dominant team in National Football League history, capped an 18-1 season by crushing the New England Patriots 46-10 in the Super Bowl. Some wonder how those Bears would match up against this year's champions. Not necessarily this year's pro champion, but the college champion -- which will be determined tonight when the University of Southern California Trojans play the Texas Longhorns in the Rose Bowl.
It's increasingly difficult to distinguish top-level college football from the professional game. Some comparisons between the 2005 Trojans and Longhorns and the 1985 Bears are eye-opening. The '85 Bears had perhaps the greatest defense in NFL history; according to the Sports Encyclopedia -- Pro Football, Chicago averaged 271 pounds a man across its defensive line. This year's Trojans outweigh the Bears on the defensive line by an average of four pounds a man. The Longhorns are even bigger, averaging out to 290 apiece.
The difference in the offensive lines is even more staggering. The mean for the '85 Bears' front offensive five was 267 pounds; their 2005 USC and Texas counterparts average 312 pounds a man. Excuse us -- did we say the 1985 Bears? The offensive lines of this year's first- and second-ranked college teams outweigh that of the defending NFL champion New England Patriots by nine pounds a man.
And that's just the linemen. The quarterback for the '85 Bears was Jim McMahon, who was 6-1 and about 195. USC's Matt Leinart is 6-5, 225, while Texas QB Vince Young is 6-5 and 233. The quarterbacks in tonight's championship match average 229 pounds -- or a pound more than the linebackers for Chicago's 1985 champions.
It isn't just the size of modern college players. The level of coaching, training and competition in big-time college football has become so keen that many believe their top players can go right into the pros and immediately become starters or even stars. "You could take Southern Cal's and Texas' top players and put them into the pros right now," says a scout for an NFL draft Web site. Most scouts contend that as many as two-dozen players from the two teams will eventually be drafted into the pros, led by USC's 2004 Heisman Trophy winner Mr. Leinart, 2005 Heisman Trophy winner running back Reggie Bush, fullback LenDale White, wide receiver Dwayne Jarrett and strong safety Darnell Bing, as well as UT's Mr. Young, strong safety Michael Huff, and offensive tackles Jonathan Scott and Justin Blaylock.
Well, does that mean that Texas or Southern Cal could actually beat some pro teams? Pause. The scout replied, "I would favor either Texas or USC over at least the bottom third of the NFL."
ESPN has been broadcasting segments in which commentators compare the Trojans and Longhorns to great college champions of the past, but to many veteran sportswriters the comparisons are irrelevant. In an interview last year, longtime college-football writer Dan Jenkins said, "Comparing the best college teams of the past five or so years to legendary champions of the past is like comparing supersonic jet fighters to propeller-driven World War II planes. The game has really changed that quickly. Most of the players I see on top teams today look like they were manufactured in laboratories."
If so, the laboratories were designed by the NFL. Up until 1963, college football players were expected to play on both offense and defense, and the most important attribute for a football player was quickness and stamina, not sheer strength. As late as 1965, Bear Bryant's Alabama national championship team still averaged little more than 200 pounds a man. But as rules changed to allow unlimited substitution, specialization took precedence over versatility and, as players spent more and more time in the weight room, their size began to increase dramatically. This development was perfect for pro football, which no longer had to guess what a player's best position might be when he was drafted; by the time the player turned pro, he already had two or more years of experience at his particular position.
As college players evolved into prototypes of professionals, the game itself began to change until, by the 21st century, college football is scarcely distinguishable from the pro style. For instance, Texas' previous national championship contenders were almost all running teams; it was the Longhorns who first made the "Wishbone" famous by winning the title in 1969. The Wishbone quarterback usually had just a single wide receiver to throw to; his primary job was handing off or pitching the ball to one of three other runners in his backfield. In contrast, this year's Longhorns use pro-style formations that might feature no running backs and as many as five pass receivers.
The result is a college game that challenges and sometimes exceeds the pros for offensive fireworks -- often both Southern Cal and Texas score better than 50 points a game. But it's also a game where styles once peculiar to college football are vanishing. "You used to be able to tell the moment you turned on the TV," says Mr. Jenkins, "if you were watching Texas or Alabama with their Wishbone or Notre Dame with their Wingback-set or Southern Cal with their Tailback-I formation. Now, almost every team seems to be playing pro football." Maybe because they are."
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Heck, Txdad07, we have BASEBALL FIELDS bigger than Connecticut.
"Tonight's Rose Bowl Champions vs. the '85 Bears
By ALLEN BARRA
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
January 4, 2006; Page D8
Twenty years ago, the Chicago Bears, regarded by many pro-football historians as the most dominant team in National Football League history, capped an 18-1 season by crushing the New England Patriots 46-10 in the Super Bowl. Some wonder how those Bears would match up against this year's champions. Not necessarily this year's pro champion, but the college champion -- which will be determined tonight when the University of Southern California Trojans play the Texas Longhorns in the Rose Bowl.
It's increasingly difficult to distinguish top-level college football from the professional game. Some comparisons between the 2005 Trojans and Longhorns and the 1985 Bears are eye-opening. The '85 Bears had perhaps the greatest defense in NFL history; according to the Sports Encyclopedia -- Pro Football, Chicago averaged 271 pounds a man across its defensive line. This year's Trojans outweigh the Bears on the defensive line by an average of four pounds a man. The Longhorns are even bigger, averaging out to 290 apiece.
The difference in the offensive lines is even more staggering. The mean for the '85 Bears' front offensive five was 267 pounds; their 2005 USC and Texas counterparts average 312 pounds a man. Excuse us -- did we say the 1985 Bears? The offensive lines of this year's first- and second-ranked college teams outweigh that of the defending NFL champion New England Patriots by nine pounds a man.
And that's just the linemen. The quarterback for the '85 Bears was Jim McMahon, who was 6-1 and about 195. USC's Matt Leinart is 6-5, 225, while Texas QB Vince Young is 6-5 and 233. The quarterbacks in tonight's championship match average 229 pounds -- or a pound more than the linebackers for Chicago's 1985 champions.
It isn't just the size of modern college players. The level of coaching, training and competition in big-time college football has become so keen that many believe their top players can go right into the pros and immediately become starters or even stars. "You could take Southern Cal's and Texas' top players and put them into the pros right now," says a scout for an NFL draft Web site. Most scouts contend that as many as two-dozen players from the two teams will eventually be drafted into the pros, led by USC's 2004 Heisman Trophy winner Mr. Leinart, 2005 Heisman Trophy winner running back Reggie Bush, fullback LenDale White, wide receiver Dwayne Jarrett and strong safety Darnell Bing, as well as UT's Mr. Young, strong safety Michael Huff, and offensive tackles Jonathan Scott and Justin Blaylock.
Well, does that mean that Texas or Southern Cal could actually beat some pro teams? Pause. The scout replied, "I would favor either Texas or USC over at least the bottom third of the NFL."
ESPN has been broadcasting segments in which commentators compare the Trojans and Longhorns to great college champions of the past, but to many veteran sportswriters the comparisons are irrelevant. In an interview last year, longtime college-football writer Dan Jenkins said, "Comparing the best college teams of the past five or so years to legendary champions of the past is like comparing supersonic jet fighters to propeller-driven World War II planes. The game has really changed that quickly. Most of the players I see on top teams today look like they were manufactured in laboratories."
If so, the laboratories were designed by the NFL. Up until 1963, college football players were expected to play on both offense and defense, and the most important attribute for a football player was quickness and stamina, not sheer strength. As late as 1965, Bear Bryant's Alabama national championship team still averaged little more than 200 pounds a man. But as rules changed to allow unlimited substitution, specialization took precedence over versatility and, as players spent more and more time in the weight room, their size began to increase dramatically. This development was perfect for pro football, which no longer had to guess what a player's best position might be when he was drafted; by the time the player turned pro, he already had two or more years of experience at his particular position.
As college players evolved into prototypes of professionals, the game itself began to change until, by the 21st century, college football is scarcely distinguishable from the pro style. For instance, Texas' previous national championship contenders were almost all running teams; it was the Longhorns who first made the "Wishbone" famous by winning the title in 1969. The Wishbone quarterback usually had just a single wide receiver to throw to; his primary job was handing off or pitching the ball to one of three other runners in his backfield. In contrast, this year's Longhorns use pro-style formations that might feature no running backs and as many as five pass receivers.
The result is a college game that challenges and sometimes exceeds the pros for offensive fireworks -- often both Southern Cal and Texas score better than 50 points a game. But it's also a game where styles once peculiar to college football are vanishing. "You used to be able to tell the moment you turned on the TV," says Mr. Jenkins, "if you were watching Texas or Alabama with their Wishbone or Notre Dame with their Wingback-set or Southern Cal with their Tailback-I formation. Now, almost every team seems to be playing pro football." Maybe because they are."
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Heck, Txdad07, we have BASEBALL FIELDS bigger than Connecticut.
In a previous thread (Rose Bowl)
My prediction was
Texas 45
USC 44
close enough!!
HOOKEM HORNS!!!!!
My prediction was
Texas 45
USC 44
close enough!!
HOOKEM HORNS!!!!!
quote:So sweet to stuff it down the throats of all the national media declaring USC the greatest team of all time..
And, I wondered as I listened to Keith Jackson, and his blunders about the clock didn't start on the PAT, if he and TRHIT didn't go to the same Northeastern University.
Is Connecticut a state or is it still a territory?
I think it is just a suburb of NYC.
CT doesn't even rate it's own forum. Is it even in the US?
Maybe TRHIT posts in the Canadian forum and mistakenly found his way down here to the land of baseball? Those d*mn yankees do tend to migrate south this time of year, ya know.
Maybe TRHIT posts in the Canadian forum and mistakenly found his way down here to the land of baseball? Those d*mn yankees do tend to migrate south this time of year, ya know.
NYC? Oh, that is where Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart picked up those Heisman plaques.
Hey, I am a Red Raider and very seldom do I honk "Horns". But if you can not admit that Vince Youngs performance was one of the greatest of all time, then, well I guess you are from Connecticut.
Hey, I am a Red Raider and very seldom do I honk "Horns". But if you can not admit that Vince Youngs performance was one of the greatest of all time, then, well I guess you are from Connecticut.
PREDICTION for TRHit: Once he goes to the NFL, Vince Young will take less than 3 years to be doing the same magic act on Sunday afternoons.
Mark it down - you will see him in Hawaii.
Mark it down - you will see him in Hawaii.
Tom, there are "loads of so called ATHLETES" that never make it in the NFL!
And BTW, the Houston Texans will be far better than the Hartford.... wait a sec, they don't have an NFL franchise.
Have you even ever been to Texas? Any part?
I will admit I have never been to CT, so I will not pass judgement on the geography of the area. Typical geographical steroetypes!
Well gotta go now, my horse is getting impatient and I have to get my clothes from the crick (that's creek) to y'all in the NE. Anybody know of any good horse carriage wheel dealers around these parts?
And BTW, the Houston Texans will be far better than the Hartford.... wait a sec, they don't have an NFL franchise.
Have you even ever been to Texas? Any part?
I will admit I have never been to CT, so I will not pass judgement on the geography of the area. Typical geographical steroetypes!
Well gotta go now, my horse is getting impatient and I have to get my clothes from the crick (that's creek) to y'all in the NE. Anybody know of any good horse carriage wheel dealers around these parts?
Got to love the texas egos---we in CT do not need to have a separate forum--we are part of the Great New England and Northeast States Region--
Natural--we will see--three years is a long time with no offensive line in front of him
Natural--we will see--three years is a long time with no offensive line in front of him
Careful Natural,
Have you seen the NFC quarterbacks in the Pro Bowl. It includes hall of famers Delhomme, Vick and Hasselback. Much better than the 1994 QB's of Aikman, Young and Favre.
Today's NFL is a joke. Teams go from 6 - 10 to the superbowl. Vince Young will do fine in today's NFL. I know we are off topic but nobody has a football site to consume all my time.
Have you seen the NFC quarterbacks in the Pro Bowl. It includes hall of famers Delhomme, Vick and Hasselback. Much better than the 1994 QB's of Aikman, Young and Favre.
Today's NFL is a joke. Teams go from 6 - 10 to the superbowl. Vince Young will do fine in today's NFL. I know we are off topic but nobody has a football site to consume all my time.
Gloveman
I have been to Texas--yes-- anumber of times and my son was recruited by Texas schools--I like Arizona and New Mexico better
Visit the Northeast and you will fall in love with it--no Hartford doies not have a teamm but from here we can watch the YAnkees Mets and Red Sox and the Giants, Patriots and Jets as well as the Knicks, Nets and Celtics
Would not trade this region for any other--people sports or otherwise
I have been to Texas--yes-- anumber of times and my son was recruited by Texas schools--I like Arizona and New Mexico better
Visit the Northeast and you will fall in love with it--no Hartford doies not have a teamm but from here we can watch the YAnkees Mets and Red Sox and the Giants, Patriots and Jets as well as the Knicks, Nets and Celtics
Would not trade this region for any other--people sports or otherwise
AZ....NM? And you think Texas is a desert?
I wouldn't trade this region either.
I'll stick with my Astros, Texans and Rockets.
I wouldn't trade this region either.
I'll stick with my Astros, Texans and Rockets.
Do Texas schools recruit for synchronized swimming? Interesting, you learn something new every day.
quote:Visit the Northeast and you will fall in love with it--no Hartford doies not have a teamm but from here we can watch the YAnkees Mets and Red Sox and the Giants, Patriots and Jets as well as the Knicks, Nets and Celtics
Would not trade this region for any other--people sports or otherwise
Ever heard of Direct TV? I get to watch every team in every sport. I guess that technology hasn't made it back East yet.
Don't want to trade with ya, TR. I lived in your region once upon a time. People up there don't know there is a country on the other side of NY City.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
Visit the Northeast and you will fall in love with it
Have.
And didn't.
Was sent this recently........ what a game!
THE NIGHT OF THE ROSE BOWL
T'was the night of the Rose Bowl and all through the land,
All the Longhorns were stirring, even the band.
The tickets were purchased for the game, room, and air.
In hopes that "Saint Vincent" would soon be there!!
The fans were tailgating from their truck beds,
While a vision of a championship danced in their heads.
And Bevo in his bridle, and me in my cap.
Had just popped a cold one before the first snap.
When out on the turf there arose such a clatter,
I sprang to my feet to see what was the matter!!
My eyes fixed on the tunnel, and the thundering herd;
The roar of the fight song; I sang every word!!
They ran to the end zone, and knelt to their Maker.
Giving thanks for TEXAS, and the victory later!!
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear.
Coach Mack in his glory, "THE HEAD COACH OF THE YEAR"!
And our hero from Houston that I haven't seen since;
I knew in a moment it must be "Saint Vince"!
More rapid than eagles his posse they came.
And he whistled and shouted and called them by name!
Now, THOMAS! Now, TAYLOR! Now, PITTMAN and SWEED!
On, CHARLES! On, GRIFFIN! ROSS, HUFF and McGEE!
To the top of the world for a championship crown!
Now dash away, dash away, to a TEXAS touchdown!
They fought with fury! They fought with might!
They fought like champions on this championship night!
Oh! The bombs they flew, and the holes blew open.
The Longhorns ran the ball just as we were hopin'.
The defense attacked, and oh, they played hard!
Stopping the Trojans, in their own back yard!
Mack's eyes how they twinkled, his dimples, how merry!
His cheeks were like roses, the "crystal ball" he did carry!
He embraced his coaches, he embraced his team!
And "The Eyes of TEXAS" we all did sing.
A season that will live forever in lore;
COME EARLY, WEAR ORANGE, STAY LATE, once more!
THE NIGHT OF THE ROSE BOWL
T'was the night of the Rose Bowl and all through the land,
All the Longhorns were stirring, even the band.
The tickets were purchased for the game, room, and air.
In hopes that "Saint Vincent" would soon be there!!
The fans were tailgating from their truck beds,
While a vision of a championship danced in their heads.
And Bevo in his bridle, and me in my cap.
Had just popped a cold one before the first snap.
When out on the turf there arose such a clatter,
I sprang to my feet to see what was the matter!!
My eyes fixed on the tunnel, and the thundering herd;
The roar of the fight song; I sang every word!!
They ran to the end zone, and knelt to their Maker.
Giving thanks for TEXAS, and the victory later!!
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear.
Coach Mack in his glory, "THE HEAD COACH OF THE YEAR"!
And our hero from Houston that I haven't seen since;
I knew in a moment it must be "Saint Vince"!
More rapid than eagles his posse they came.
And he whistled and shouted and called them by name!
Now, THOMAS! Now, TAYLOR! Now, PITTMAN and SWEED!
On, CHARLES! On, GRIFFIN! ROSS, HUFF and McGEE!
To the top of the world for a championship crown!
Now dash away, dash away, to a TEXAS touchdown!
They fought with fury! They fought with might!
They fought like champions on this championship night!
Oh! The bombs they flew, and the holes blew open.
The Longhorns ran the ball just as we were hopin'.
The defense attacked, and oh, they played hard!
Stopping the Trojans, in their own back yard!
Mack's eyes how they twinkled, his dimples, how merry!
His cheeks were like roses, the "crystal ball" he did carry!
He embraced his coaches, he embraced his team!
And "The Eyes of TEXAS" we all did sing.
A season that will live forever in lore;
COME EARLY, WEAR ORANGE, STAY LATE, once more!
I'm a hardcore Longhorn fan but......
lets not put him in the Hall of Fame
or Hawaii for that matter until he
proves himself at that level.
I remember the great Andre Ware
who was a Heisman winner and was
supposed to be the next NFL great
QB.
Another topic,
Anyone hear the USC QB say in an on field interview after the game that they are still the better team, they beat themselves. Maybe it is
just me but I think the Dad they kept showing should have taught him to win with class and "lose" with class. Give credit where credit is do. If he wanted to be politically correct, he should have said "today, they were the better team". Just my humble opinion.
lets not put him in the Hall of Fame
or Hawaii for that matter until he
proves himself at that level.
I remember the great Andre Ware
who was a Heisman winner and was
supposed to be the next NFL great
QB.
Another topic,
Anyone hear the USC QB say in an on field interview after the game that they are still the better team, they beat themselves. Maybe it is
just me but I think the Dad they kept showing should have taught him to win with class and "lose" with class. Give credit where credit is do. If he wanted to be politically correct, he should have said "today, they were the better team". Just my humble opinion.
quote:Got to love the texas egos---we in CT do not need to have a separate forum--we are part of the Great New England and Northeast States Region--
Ok -- I wasn't going to enter this phase of the "discussion" but....egos??? we don't refer to ourselves as the "Great" Texas Forum -- even though we could.
theygrow -- a field interview right after a tough loss isn't really a fair venue if you're going to nitpick -- especially when the kid has a microphone shoved in his face 30 seconds after his 2nd loss. Leinart is a class act and had to deal with a lot this year. Let's not take anything away from his night -- 29-40 for 365 -- a great performance. He sat in the post-game press conference for a long time ----- I expect him and his teammates to think of themselves that way -- don't you? The dads ---- again, placed under a microscope -- even though I wouldn't wear a #5 jersey with "Dad" on the back, he seemed graceful at the Heisman presentation.
I'd rather we handle this win with Texas class -- the Horns beat a GREAT team. Any arguments there?
YESSSSSSS!!!!!! HOOK 'EM!!!!
I'd rather we handle this win with Texas class -- the Horns beat a GREAT team. Any arguments there?
YESSSSSSS!!!!!! HOOK 'EM!!!!
TR, are you down here insulting Texans again? lol I have lived in Texas, Florida, Georgia and the Northeast. When I retire, there are 3 on that list I would consider. The Northeast ain't one of them. You do notice that all the people in the Northeast darn sure want to retire to where I live. I don't see a bunch of southerners retiring to the Northeast. Just an observation.
Do I detect the smell of bbq? Bbq'ed yankee, that is...
Woops.
I have to jump in here. I lived in CT for 3 years 9 months and 11 days. I have lived in TX for over 8 years now. Can you tell which place I like better. There is no comparison. The people I met while in Ct were "okay", but there is no comparison between the quality of life between there and the south.
I am not a Longhorn fan but I was glad to see them win last night. I guess that is an orange thing (Volunteer Fan).
As for the Trojans play, I was more impressed with Lindale White last night than others.
I am not a Longhorn fan but I was glad to see them win last night. I guess that is an orange thing (Volunteer Fan).
As for the Trojans play, I was more impressed with Lindale White last night than others.
PD,
nitpick
nitpick
Yeah, I'm guilty of it too on occasion.