NCAA Considers Amending Transfer Rule for Non-Scholarship Players

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Originally posted by TRhit:
Bobblehead

Do employees get advance notice when they are about to be fired ?---I think not

A college baseball player is an employee---the school is paying for the player to be there---produce or be gone---no different than the corporate world

TR-
Depends on where you are in the corporate world......in our company (A Fortune 10)
unless you break the law, steal from the company, underperformers go on "goals and objectives".......
i.e. you are underperforming.....here is what you need to do to get your act together......fix it, you're good.....don't fix it= you're gone.
Bottom line,,,,,,in many cases there is a "notice" period.... can't speak for every company.....but my company is not the only company that operates that way.......

TR

I'm tempted to say the "employee" comment would fit in well with the NCAA philosophy of student athlete's but I won't.

Taking a positive point of view I think (hope) your comments could be interpreted as saying "hey" it's a team first attitude. If a kid signs up, takes a scholarship, does what he can and doesn't fit in then he should do the honorable thing and move on so the team can get a better player.

Actually, that's not wrong - it's just - as you would call it -- "life" --I'm OK with that. After all college is meant to be a "learning" experience and we all know hard lessons can sometimes be best.

What I'm not OK with here is one rule you won't encounter in "life." In life if you screw up you move on and you don't have to "sit out a year" without pay (the employee theory). Moreover, since you only have 5 years of "earning time" (5 to play 4) that's 20 percent of your lifespan (ouch)!

In life you find a better fit and maybe have success. The NCAA says hey, it's OK for a coach to let a kid go...boot him whatever...but he still has to pay with sitting a year.

Eureka! Maybe here's a good compromise. We all know some kids leave on their own "leaving coach and team high and dry" and some kids get the "message!"

What if you only sat out if you were one of the kids that left voluntarily. If the coach wanted you gone you didn't have to sit out. That would make the "realese" the coaches sign actually meaningful. I doubt they want to keep kids that don't fit in but now there's pressure to do more of that.

Nah. It makes too much sense for the NCAA to adopt. Hokie 1 is right. If it makes sense guarantee the NCAA won't do it!

I am not sure about the employee comment but mine looked at the whole picture that he had a job to do and he approached it as such and most likley would have regardless of a scholarship or not.
He was given the rules to follow the first meeting and told along with his teammates if those rules were fllowed they had a place on the team.

With all of this talk about cutting players, is there anyone here whose player was actually cut after one playing season, I am not talking about showing up in the fall and not getting a spot, I am talking about after playing a season or two maybe three. I will bet more players left on their own than the coach not renewing their scholarship or asking them to leave.

TPM-I'm not sure I understand your statement about your son looking at the "whole picture" as a "job" to do and would have done it without a scholarship. If I'm understanding your/his reasoning correctly then you are saying that he would have worked
for NO pay.

I guess I have a different take on it and that is that my two would both play for no scholarship at all because they look at college baseball as an activity that they would choose over any other at this point in their lives. Getting money to play baseball is like someone paying them to eat-and they LOVE to eat! I guarantee that when they do a "job" they expect to be paid, as most of us do.

As far as your question about players being cut after playing one or more seasons, I personally know 2 from LSU, 4 from USF, 5 from UT, 3 from UF and a number of others that
I've been told about. It happens all the time. As far as whether MORE transfer on their own as opposed to being cut(losing scholarships) you may be correct in you assumption but
I'm not sure that's a relevant point. If it happens to just ONE player why should that player not have the right to transfer to another school without having to sit out a year?

If a coach tells that player he is no longer fits into their program for whatever reason,
where's the logic in telling that player,"You won't be playing for us next year and by the way, you won't be allowed to play against us either, you have to sit out a year unless you choose another division, but good luck, Son"?

If a coach cuts a scholarship or tells a player he will not play next year even on scholarship, it should be a no brainer. Transfer without restriction.

For the most part I agree with the "sit out" rule for greener pastures.

Just my opinion

Moc,
Yes he most likely would play for FREE. Come to think about it, throughout his youth baseball and HS, we PAID to play!

Of those players cut, where they to cut down roster? Not producing, bad grades, off campus highjinks, what were the reasons? We don't always know the real reasons, that is why I was asking if any websters players have been cut.

I do know that your son has transfered a number of times, can you share the reasons? It is helpful to share those stories to enlighten us on exactly what is going on in some programs.

TPM-Yes, my oldest has transferred twice and I know it doesn't make his decisions look
wise. I prefer not to get into specifics at this point because he is still playing but I'll just say that at both programs the head coach was fired the next year. Kinda justifies the transfers.

OK, here is the bottom line for those who keep trying to put a spin on it like Bill Orielly-

Your team carries 30 players and your number 31 so the coach cuts you and says you must move on, your not wanted. Another team calls and has 29 players and says your wanted here, come play. Without getting into corporate talk, or the rule is a rule so it's fair bull, exactly why can't this kid transfer to that school without having to sit out.

BY TPM-"I will bet more players left on their own than the coach not renewing their scholarship or asking them to leave." That's fine, those players should have to sit out (greener pasture rule), but the others should have the opportunity to move on without penalty.

TPM, sorry, didn't answer your first question about the reasons for players being cut.

LSU-new coach came in and told players they didn't fit.
USF-new coach and a variety of reasons-none of the reasons you stated.
UF-new coach, new philosophy-(no problem-if player doesn't fit let him transfer freely)
UT-All 5 were previous draft choices(3 drafted that year)-didn't fit into plans next year no scholarship $ available. Another weekend starter(3rd round pick-13 straight Saturdays) left for "other" reasons that were the same as my son.

All of these players were very good players and very respectful of the coaches as well as good students. The coaches just did not have them in their plans for the future for whatever reason. I do know of players that were disruptive to the team, did not attend class, did not perform, got into trouble off campus etc. I'm not talking about those.
BTW, all those players above transferred(or signed pro) to other schools-D1-and got scholarships. Can't do it this year-good move NCAA.

Moc,
Thanks for the reply.
LSU, we know what went on their with new coach, I think the new transfer rules will help somewhat eliminate that issue, coaches now know they have to keep players to count in the APR. I would say the player in most danger would be one that has already transfered in and wants out again.
UF, 47 man roster now had to be cut down to 35. It was an unfortunate situation and I know the coach was sick about having to do that.
UT, this is not uncommon for drafted players, especially if they have lots of money tied up. I have posted here before, most likely if son hadn't gone pro his schollie would have been reduced. The coach should have this conversation going into the players draft year. Another large roster needing to be cut down? JMO.

TPM,

I remember your post about your son being told he'd lose his scholarship because they expected him to sign. Thought that odd at the time but it made sense to say they'd take his senior year as a lost scholarship.

Now though, for clarification sake, it appears these other players had their junior year (draft year taken) and were cut in anticipation of not having them this year???

Am I reading this right?

mrmom,
It was well understood that my son was only expected to be there for 3 years. He was expected to get drafted. Now if he wasn't drafted for some reason or another, he might still be there, but he was one of those they expected to leave. This was discussed before he signed.
Many coaches will call their juniors with draft potential into their office before early signing, they want a clear understanding of where there players are headed . This helps in their planning. This is the right thing to do. Unless you were there, who knows what they were told. I do belive Fungo can back me up on this one.