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My son only started playing competitive ball around age 13/14.

He only has true experience as an OF...

Now just turned 18 and at college they have him at SS for fall workouts and its been a tough position to learn for him in only 3 weeks.

He is hitting great, but coach told him hes not playing good enough to start at SS, which is believable.

He spent time talking to coach and asked to play his natural position OF...coach allowed him next practice and he did great and made some nice plays, OF assist, and showed all his tools.

Next day...back to SS.

Coach told him he needs to prove himself...btw,coach appears to have never seen him play before college, which is odd to me to recruit someone you have never seen play at all.

So...im not too dumb to realize coach has a need or void at SS and also may be putting him to a test to see how he responds...but...son does not want to lose a year of eligibility playing backup IF, when he feels his skills in OF and bat are starting material right now even at a small D1 (let alone a small D3)...he is a plus runner on the nases and out of the box, has a plus arm, and hits for average and some power... he also worked out hard since arriving, and already put on 15 lbs and is squatting 2.5 times his bodyweight so he is gifted physically and works hard...he chose this college for academics, but is not feeling the baseball program is what he was expecting...

Should he ask coach about redshirting?  Sit out the season on his own, and focus on school, look for new school?

Bottom line is he has communicated several times he doesnt want to waste a year of eligibility

I dont know,what to tell him...other than talk to coach.

Looking for ideas.
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Originally Posted by 5tools22:
Hello

My son only started playing competitive ball around age 13/14.

He only has true experience as an OF...

Now just turned 18 and at college they have him at SS for fall workouts and its been a tough position to learn for him in only 3 weeks.

He is hitting great, but coach told him hes not playing good enough to start at SS, which is believable.

He spent time talking to coach and asked to play his natural position OF...coach allowed him next practice and he did great and made some nice plays, OF assist, and showed all his tools.

Next day...back to SS.

Coach told him he needs to prove himself...btw,coach appears to have never seen him play before college, which is odd to me to recruit someone you have never seen play at all.

So...im not too dumb to realize coach has a need or void at SS and also may be putting him to a test to see how he responds...but...son does not want to lose a year of eligibility playing backup IF, when he feels his skills in OF and bat are starting material right now even at a small D1 (let alone a small D3)...he is a plus runner on the nases and out of the box, has a plus arm, and hits for average and some power... he also worked out hard since arriving, and already put on 15 lbs and is squatting 2.5 times his bodyweight so he is gifted physically and works hard...he chose this college for academics, but is not feeling the baseball program is what he was expecting...

Should he ask coach about redshirting?  Sit out the season on his own, and focus on school, look for new school?

Bottom line is he has communicated several times he doesnt want to waste a year of eligibility

I dont know,what to tell him...other than talk to coach.

Looking for ideas.

Your post is confusing on one front.  

 

Is this a small D1 or a small D3?   If it's a small D3 there is no redshirting except for medical reasons. 

 

If I were you, I would stay out of this  completely.  

 

As for your son,  I would advise him to seize opportunity he is being given with complete gusto and determination, without complaining, belly aching, etc.  He needs to work like hell to make the most of it.  Take extra reps before and/or after practice.   Study everything there is to study about playing ss and try like heck to implement it.  

 

Let the rest take care of itself. 

 

The kid should be flattered that they want him to learn ss.  It's the premium defensive position on the field.   That the coach thinks he has the ability and athleticism to learn to play shortstop  -- even if he can't start right now -- is a testament to the coach's belief in his outstanding athletic ability.   He shouldn't screw up  by complaining and whining.   

 

Hate to be so blunt.   But guys are asked to learn new positions all the time.  The guys who take the challenge seriously and work their tails off to learn often go far.  The guys who refuse and complain are often left by the wayside. 

 

His attitude needs to be "whatever is best for the team, Coach."  Period. 

Last edited by SluggerDad
Originally Posted by 5tools22:
Hello

My son only started playing competitive ball around age 13/14.

He only has true experience as an OF...

Now just turned 18 and at college they have him at SS for fall workouts and its been a tough position to learn for him in only 3 weeks.

He is hitting great, but coach told him hes not playing good enough to start at SS, which is believable.

He spent time talking to coach and asked to play his natural position OF...coach allowed him next practice and he did great and made some nice plays, OF assist, and showed all his tools.

Next day...back to SS.

Coach told him he needs to prove himself...btw,coach appears to have never seen him play before college, which is odd to me to recruit someone you have never seen play at all.

So...im not too dumb to realize coach has a need or void at SS and also may be putting him to a test to see how he responds...but...son does not want to lose a year of eligibility playing backup IF, when he feels his skills in OF and bat are starting material right now even at a small D1 (let alone a small D3)...he is a plus runner on the nases and out of the box, has a plus arm, and hits for average and some power... he also worked out hard since arriving, and already put on 15 lbs and is squatting 2.5 times his bodyweight so he is gifted physically and works hard...he chose this college for academics, but is not feeling the baseball program is what he was expecting...

Should he ask coach about redshirting?  Sit out the season on his own, and focus on school, look for new school?

Bottom line is he has communicated several times he doesnt want to waste a year of eligibility

I dont know,what to tell him...other than talk to coach.

Looking for ideas.

Not a lot of freshmen step in and start at a D1.  If the coach feels he can use him at SS, even if it means not playing a lot, I'd go with it...at least for now.  It's obvious there isn't a spot for him at OF right now, or he'd be there.....though I'm fairly sure I've never heard of an OF being moved to SS....especially at a D1.  If it's me...I play where the coach wants me...at least for now...and see where things go.

Looks like there is a need the coach wants your son to fill.  Most freshman work hard to get on the field at ANY position.  Repeat, ANY position.  

 

Keewartson played a different MIF position as a freshman than he had played before. He was grateful for the opportunity to play, esp as a freshman.

 

If he is hitting in the spring, the coach will make sure he is in the lineup.  Better to have some practice at SS, since the coach knows he can play OF.

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Stools22:

 

Read some of your past posts.   I now see that your son is at a D3.   So definitely,  redshirting, except for medical reasons, is not an option. 

 

In particular this one: 

 

http://community.hsbaseballweb...-switching-positions

 

 

which suggest that your son actually brought up the idea of switching positions  to his coach, on his own, apparently thinking that his size makes him implausible as a college CF.    

 

There is also this one:

 

http://community.hsbaseballweb...from-hs-to-college-1

 

which suggest that he's been thinking about switching positions for a long time, even before entering college.

 

So the total picture you paint is a little confusing.

Last edited by SluggerDad
For clarity, he is at a D3, and thats good info about redshirt rules...thanks!

I agree its a compliment and a sign of confidence (and maybe a challenge) from the coach...and i agree he should work his butt off, and make something out of the opp.

He only got one AB last scrimmage and seemed bummed, but i told him it makes sense to get you as much time in the SS pos as possible snd let the other guys rotate through hitting..,coach already knows you can hit...in his only AB he took 2 pitches and drove the third 360 in the gap without even squaring it up, and yes hes the smallest guy on the team...

You are correct on my previous post, he had raised the idea ay one point...He actually told the coach he was OF only, but was interested in learning MIF last spring.  The coach pulled him aside at first conditioning workout this fall and told him he wanted him to learn SS. 

I think he's just panicking...i tend to agree with one of you who responded...if hes hitting, they will find a place for him in the lineup.

My only advice to him has been keep your hitting going, that will carry you, and reps reps reps, until SS is automatic and comfortable like OF.

Thanks so much guys...i like blunt real advice...
Just talked to son...he says he is,ready to rise to the challenge. 

I reminded him of another young man he had the honor of meeting at a team USA camp...when he was 15...the young man was in HS at the time and played catcher, but was no other than a SS for LSU, and now the Astros org...(yes A.Bregmann)...Sons attitude and mindset seem to really turn around after i reminded him of that.

I saw this,quote too about Bregmann, that to me says it all...i by no means am comparing my son skillwise to Bregmann...just the comments about figuring it out later. And the gritty undersized, im gonna prove you wrong attitude.

"They all said the best player on the team, without a doubt, was Alex Bregman. He is just a baseball player. You get guys like this and figure out what to do with  them later"

Over the years watching college ball I developed my theory about freshmen players. To a coach Freshman players are like Christmas presents. The new school year is like Christmas day for a coach. He gets all these new presents (Freshmen) and then he gets to play with them. Some he plays with more than others but after awhile he remembers all the fun he had with the presents that he got the previous years. It is when he knows how all the presents play with each other he has a team.

 

Now that my metaphor is done; it is not uncommon to use preseason games to see how the new freshman perform; it establishes them as productive teammates, it shows them that they can play, it allows the coaches to see how they handle pressure. If a team is going to go deep in the season, there is nothing like an experienced and tested bench.

 

I have watched the school where my son went now ten-years ago. Every year the first 6-8 games the coach generally starts most of the freshman. I remember going to opening series 3-years ago, I watched a freshman play in the first game of the season as a pitcher, he performed well, then he was used sparsely the next two seasons. Last year he was a starter and a major contributor. I am convinced that getting your freshmen experience from the beginning is instrumental in building a strong and deep program.

5tool,

I am pretty sure I posted in one of your threads before, which was a somewhat similar topic.  At this point, I wonder if you might be too involved.

On the one hand, you say the coach at the D3 knows your son can hit (as a way of explaining why he did not get AB's) but in another sentence, you wonder if the Coach ever saw your son play before?

The immediate observation is these two thoughts don't seem to mesh: 

 

"Coach told him he needs to prove himself...btw,coach appears to have never seen him play before college, which is odd to me to recruit someone you have never seen play at all."

 

"coach already knows you can hit...in his only AB he took 2 pitches and drove the third 360 in the gap without even squaring it up, and yes hes the smallest guy on the team..."

 

How could this Head Coach "know" your son can hit and is one of the teams best hitters (against college pitching) when they are just starting Fall Ball, if the coach never saw him play before he set foot on the college field?  Just one personal experience of our son: when he was a freshman, his team scrimmaged a JC and they went almost 10 hours and 30 innings.  The upper classmen got their AB's in the first game.  Our son got AB's throughout all 30 innings. To balance against your observation, mine would be college coaches want freshman to see as much college pitching as possible to see where they might be over-matched and how they adjust, as well as to coach them on each.

If your son is as gifted, physically, as you describe, there should be no reason he cannot make the adjustments his new HC is talking about.  When I read your posts, the impression I get is the coaching staff at his college are "hearing" too much from your son about where he "wants" to play (and perhaps why-a scout said so?).  I fully understand you must have talked with your son and received his feedback on how he played when put in the OF, but that can be quite different from how his play was viewed by the coaching staff.

At the core, though, this seems like a major question mark in terms of mindset:

 

"son does not want to lose a year of eligibility playing backup IF, when he feels his skills in OF and bat are starting material right now even at a small D1 (let alone a small D3).."

 

Asking for honest and frank opinions can get some without frosting.  When I read this, I honestly wonder how any player or his parent could think they would be a starting OF as a freshman at a small D1, before they have played a single game in college at a small D3.  In addition, it reads like "I am too good for this place" in some ways.

If teammates get the impression on the latter, that is not healthy. If coaches get the impression on the former, that is not healthy.

Sorry for the lack of frosting but your son is now a college freshman. I don't know what "small," Southern D3 he is attending, but if he is at a program such as Millsaps, for instance, he would have his hands full even if he could start at a small D1.

Good luck to your son.  My suggestion continues to be to relax as his parent, realize you don't have experience in what he is experiencing and support him in working through the challenges by having him work through them with his coaching staff and teammates.

Thanks guys for all the input so far.

Had really good talk with son last night.  I expressed that being asked to learn SS is an honor a lot of guys would kill for so embrace the opp.  i admitted i dont have the answers or experience to help him, other than to work hard, support coach and team, and i told him i believe in him...i also told him to go watch a movie or do something relaxing.

He seemed in good spirits,and ready to tackle a new day.

I want to share an observation I had as a former D3 player. Every single year we had freshmen come in to fall ball expecting to get the same innings/ab's that the older guys get. Now, this is only bad if the player has a selfish attitude towards the situation. We've had a lot of guys come in who had the attitude of "I'm ONLY at a D3 school when I know I can be playing at a D2 or D3, therefore, I should be playing every game, practice, etc."

 

The truth is that spots need to be earned at every level. From my experience a lot of freshmen come into D3 schools and take a big bite of humble pie. D3 guys can play the game and just because you had 3-4 guys on your hs team go D1 does not make you entitled to anything at a D3.

 

5tools, know that I am not at all accusing your son of this, just wanted to share a frequent observation that I had while at my D3 school.

You are totally correct...he admitted he thought since every other school assured him he was starter in the OF as a frosh, that it was a given here too...he said the coach telling him he was not playing at a college level defensivly was reality check and a humbling experience.  I bet a lot of kids experience this coming in...hes a fighter though, i think he will be fine, and his studies are going great so im proud of his efforts so,far.
Originally Posted by 5tools22:
You are totally correct...he admitted he thought since every other school assured him he was starter in the OF as a frosh, that it was a given here too...he said the coach telling him he was not playing at a college level defensivly was reality check and a humbling experience.  I bet a lot of kids experience this coming in...hes a fighter though, i think he will be fine, and his studies are going great so im proud of his efforts so,far.

Awesome! Just gotta keep fighting.

 

Looking back on my college career there are many things that I disagree with in regards to how my coaching staff handled my talents. With that being said I have zero regrets because I can confidently say I did whatever they asked me to do and I gave it my best possible effort. There's a lot of satisfaction that comes with that.

Well, the verdict is in...he stuck with it (MIF), and he is officially on the Spring 2016 College Roster as an Infielder...seems crazy and unusual, but itll be interesting to see him roaming the IF instead of OF...of course making the team is one thing, starting is another!  He has been a crazy story so far...cant wait to see whats next!  He seemed happy and relieved to tell me he was getting fitted for his uniform

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