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     Need some advice on how to proceed with this situation.  This past Friday, Regional game, son had 5 innings remaining (pitching).  Started the game and pitched first 3 innings giving up 1 unearned run (team down 1-0).  Took son out and put in different pitcher for 2 (4th and 5th innings), who pitched well, giving up another run (team now down 2-0), then put son back in the game at pitcher for the final 2 innings.  He played shortstop the 2 innings he was out pitching.  Team ended up losing 3-0 and season is over.

     Here's my problem.  The coach did this to my son the second game this season as well as the playoff game.  At that time, he pitched the first, 3rd and sixth innings (played second in between pitching).  Immediately after the game, coach came up to me and apologized for the move, saying he wouldn't do that again (son's arm hurt after that game and didn't pitch for a week).  Wasn't too happy that happened, I thought it put too much stress on his arm, but he assured me it wouldn't happen again.  It did.  Two questions:

     1.  Is this bad for a pitcher to do?  I thought it was terrible, but many of the parents didn't think it was a big deal.

     2.  How to proceed next year?  The coach has been there over 40 years and will probably be back again next year.  He's already lied as to not doing this again.  What assurances would I have to prevent this again next year?  Should I even be concerned?

     Your advice and insight would be greatly appreciated.

    

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Not saying definitively right or wrong but what he did in the playoff game was quite different than what he did in the earlier game.  I could understand the logic behind the playoff game scenario, assuming your son's pitch count was low and his arm felt great.  Hypothetical - I'll assume he is #1 guy.  Regional playoff - win or season over. With five innings available, he cruises through three with low pitch count and team is still in the game.  You are home team so someone else is going to have to eat two innings at some point and the team is going to have to scratch a few runs together.  Would you rather be able to finish that game with #1 on the hill or someone else?  And if #1 is still in the game making throws and staying warm, is this that terrible?  (I know that some here would say yes).  #2 guy was also efficient and game was low scoring so not much time elapsed between 4th and 6th innings.

 

Now the game where he pitched 1st, 3rd and 6th innings, I have no idea.  There is also much to discuss with the starter going to ss after pitching but that's another discussion.

 

So, if the hypothetical circumstances were close to accurate, one could argue that he didn't lie and do the same thing.  Still worth having a discussion between now and next season.  Nothing wrong with talking to the coach when care of son's arm is in question. 

Last edited by cabbagedad

Step one is how does your son respond physically to the situation? If not we'll, no other research is necessary. Over the next few days you will probably get a lot of response here. But we're all coaches or stayed in a Holiday Inn Express. We're not sports orthos. I suggest doing some research. Also talk to a sports ortho. I'm guessing a sports ortho wouldn't like going from hot to cold to hot to cold to hot.

 

As far as position after pitching, in travel we removed pitchers from the game. We often DHed for them even if they were good hitters. In high school coaches typically don't have this kind of flexibility due to lack of depth. I never gave returning to a position deep thought. My son closed in high school. My concern was coming from a position, eight warm ups and throwing hard.

 

After you do the research have your son deal with the coach. If that doesn't work then step in and protect his health.

Originally Posted by Golfman25:

What kind of league rules allow this?  All the rules I'm familiar with don't allow pitchers to return as pitchers.  

Golfman: I was thinking the same thing. Also, when the pitcher returns back to the mound from his fielding, is he treated as a "new" pitcher again and get more warm-ups..ugh! If he is a good hitter I also wouldn't want him back in the field as SS. A position with fewer throws 1B, or even 3B (fewer chances than SS) without taking practice throws from 1B between innings.

Thanks for the replies.  Golf & Ripken:  In Wisconsin you can take  pitcher out and put him back in as long as he stays on the field.  I don't like the rule either but I haven't seen it used before until this year.  Cabbage:  thanks for the insight, it is somewhat different than the first time around.  I just grouped them together because of frustration.  RJM:  son was fine  after the outing.  He looked significantly slower when he came in the second time, but was physically unaffected after the game.  I'll definitely start researching this to see what the medical field thinks and go from there.  Son has no problem talking to coach about this (they have great relationship) and coach is always willing to listen to his players' concerns, so we'll go with that approach.  Thanks again for all your insight.

Originally Posted by Golfman25:

What kind of league rules allow this?  All the rules I'm familiar with don't allow pitchers to return as pitchers.  

Its happened a few times in the big leagues so long as they don't leave the field.  I remember it with Kent Tekulve (on this list below) but the story is about Les Lancaster.  HS's can have different rules, but its allowed in MLB.  This was first pointed out to me by an umpire friend.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/175

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Originally Posted by Golfman25:

i have seen it done in mlb, but only for one batter.  Seems you could have a major defensive liability if done for more than one. 

 

As as for the nfhs rule, would that apply after the inning is over?  I think the concer here is the multiple innings away from pitching  


1986 - Mets vs. Reds Roger McDowell and Jesse Orosco were swapping in and out of RF and the mound during extra innings.  There was a fight and a bunch of guys got tossed.

 

But for the question by the OP - not a great setup at all. 

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