Originally I had David Wright but after today I think I have to go to Jimmie Rollins or Holliday from Colorado. What are the opinions out there?
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Holliday, Rollins had two other huge forces down the strech in the lineup. Howard and utley were just as big for the phils as rollins.
Jimmy Rollins hands down he played all 162 games and clearly set the table.
Split the vote....CO-MVP's...Holiday and Rollins.
Of course, I'm biased....but J ROLL!!!!! Come on, had the most at-bats, achieved the elusive 20/20/20/20 club....add team spark plug to the resume. Yes, he also had HOward and Utley on the team....BUT both Howard and Utley missed a month of the season due to injuries and Jimmie stepped it up and helped carry the team thru those injuries.
By the way....WAY TO GO PHILS!
By the way....WAY TO GO PHILS!
J roll. he is a ss
NL MVP of September is the Fonz. What a month!!!
Jimmy Rollins. He had a Joe Morgan type year at the plate. He played all but two innings. He played Gold Glove caliber shortstop (even though he won't win it). Tie breaker: His team won.
Unnoticed in the Phillies dash is how Pat Burrell stepped up his game when Chase Utley went down. Here's an unsung hero award for a guy who has taken a lot of fan abuse (some deserved).
Unnoticed in the Phillies dash is how Pat Burrell stepped up his game when Chase Utley went down. Here's an unsung hero award for a guy who has taken a lot of fan abuse (some deserved).
JROLL get my nod!
This guy has played a Gold Glove SS, unreal numbers, steals bases, and did not play only two games this year. He is a gamer and makes things happen around the base paths. Would be nice to see Holliday get runner up as well. Coming in 3rd would be Prince Fielder. Unfortunately if you are not in the playoffs you will not get a nod.
Go Phillies!
This guy has played a Gold Glove SS, unreal numbers, steals bases, and did not play only two games this year. He is a gamer and makes things happen around the base paths. Would be nice to see Holliday get runner up as well. Coming in 3rd would be Prince Fielder. Unfortunately if you are not in the playoffs you will not get a nod.
Go Phillies!
All the stats point to Holliday. He outhit Rollins in every category there is. Holliday even led the Major Leagues in extra base hits - with 91. That is far more than any other player in the NL and one of the all-time best ever in the NL.
Even the stats from the month of September support Holliday. Both the Rockies and Phillies were locked in pennant races throughout September and every game was important. Holliday batted .367, Rollins .298. Holliday had 30 RBI's, Rollins 18. Holliday had 29 runs scored, Rollins 22. Holliday had 12 HR's Rollins 6.
There are three factors that seem to be working against Holliday:
1.) He plays in Colorado and his split stats show a home field advantage for him. Although he still hit over .300 away from home.
2.) Rollins has been a visible part of the Mets collapse and perhaps he is getting extra credit for being a factor in the Mets demise from many of the fans who were rooting for the Mets to blow it.
3.) ESPN has been pushing Rollins relentlessly. At least in the NY area. I don't know how regionalized ESPN is in their programming.
Logically and statistically, Holliday is the man this year. Hopefully the writers will do the right thing.
Even the stats from the month of September support Holliday. Both the Rockies and Phillies were locked in pennant races throughout September and every game was important. Holliday batted .367, Rollins .298. Holliday had 30 RBI's, Rollins 18. Holliday had 29 runs scored, Rollins 22. Holliday had 12 HR's Rollins 6.
There are three factors that seem to be working against Holliday:
1.) He plays in Colorado and his split stats show a home field advantage for him. Although he still hit over .300 away from home.
2.) Rollins has been a visible part of the Mets collapse and perhaps he is getting extra credit for being a factor in the Mets demise from many of the fans who were rooting for the Mets to blow it.
3.) ESPN has been pushing Rollins relentlessly. At least in the NY area. I don't know how regionalized ESPN is in their programming.
Logically and statistically, Holliday is the man this year. Hopefully the writers will do the right thing.
Agree with Dear Old Dad, but the bigger travesty would be if Tulo doesn't win ROY!! Not only with his bat, but he makes plays in Ozzie's neighborhood.
quote:He outhit Rollins in every category there is.
Triples...Rollins/20....Holliday/5
Personally, I'm rooting for the Rockies to win vs. the Padres tonight...I'd like to see more of Rollins and Holliday on the same playing field in the divisional series.
He had three more than Rollins. Did Holliday become the fourth 20/20/20/20 in baseball history? Oh! That was Rollins!quote:Originally posted by Dear old Dad:
Holliday even led the Major Leagues in extra base hits - with 91. That is far more than any other player in the NL and one of the all-time best ever in the NL.
The MVP is an award for the season. Please feel free to give Holliday the September Player of the Month award.quote:Originally posted by Dear old Dad:
Even the stats from the month of September support Holliday.
What a bunch of whooey. Rollins has been a Gold Glove quality shortstop flying under the radar screen for years. He's scored 500 runs in the past four years. He had 789 hits in the past four years. He's always been a stud shortstop with a gun. By the way, ESPN is owned by Disney. Are you telling me a California based corporation has an east coast bias?quote:Originally posted by Dear old Dad:
ESPN has been pushing Rollins relentlessly. At least in the NY area. I don't know how regionalized ESPN is in their programming.
It's easier to hit for average and power at Coors field than in my backyard. While the ball carries well at CBP, it's nothing like Coors.quote:Originally posted by Dear old Dad:
Logically and statistically, Holliday is the man this year. Hopefully the writers will do the right thing.
I'm not a Phillies fan. I was all set to laugh my tail off when they choked Sunday. They didn't get the chance. The Mets croaked before the Phillies had the chance to choke. I do like the way Rollins, Utley and Rowand play the game. I believe Utley would have been an MVP lock had he not got injured.
TG..don't forget stolen bases (41) and runs scored (139) in the equation.
What impresses me about Rollins is that he accomplished only three less extra base hits than Holliday did...from the lead off position. And that includes 94 RBIs from batting lead off too.
There is also the "non stat" factor...he is a catalyst for the Phillies. He makes things happen. Sunday was the perfect example. Lead off single...steals 2nd, steals 3rd...able to score on a Chase Utley sac fly to the outfield. He's done it all season long for the Phils, and been the driving force behind the team when both Utley and Howard went on the DL. His MVP status, IMO, is merited for both the tangible and intangible qualities he's brought to the Phillies this season. It is hard to stand out when you have team mates the calibre of a Chase Utley and Ryan Howard...yet Rollins managed to do just that.
What impresses me about Rollins is that he accomplished only three less extra base hits than Holliday did...from the lead off position. And that includes 94 RBIs from batting lead off too.
There is also the "non stat" factor...he is a catalyst for the Phillies. He makes things happen. Sunday was the perfect example. Lead off single...steals 2nd, steals 3rd...able to score on a Chase Utley sac fly to the outfield. He's done it all season long for the Phils, and been the driving force behind the team when both Utley and Howard went on the DL. His MVP status, IMO, is merited for both the tangible and intangible qualities he's brought to the Phillies this season. It is hard to stand out when you have team mates the calibre of a Chase Utley and Ryan Howard...yet Rollins managed to do just that.
quote:Originally posted by luvbb:
TG..don't forget stolen bases (41) and runs scored (139) in the equation.
What impresses me about Rollins is that he accomplished only three less extra base hits than Holliday did...from the lead off position. And that includes 94 RBIs from batting lead off too.
A leadoff guy will score more runs. A middle of the order guy will have more rbi's. These stats can be misleading. Where the hitter is placed in the order has significance.
These guys are different kinds of players. But I see Rollins accomplishing more in Holliday's game (power) than Holliday did in Rollins' game (speed).
quote:A leadoff guy will score more runs. A middle of the order guy will have more rbi's. These stats can be misleading. Where the hitter is placed in the order has significance.
I think "history" is what Rollins has going againist him in the NL MVP votes....I think there has only ever been one other lead-off hitter who won NL MVP....Pete Rose. And shortstop? I think the NL MVP has only gone to a shortstop six times in it's 75 years of existance...last being Barry Larkin...before that Maury Wills in the early 60's.
IF Rollins should be awarded the NL MVP..he'd certainly be breaking some molds.
No Midwest luv on this site I see. The Prince from Milw deserves some consideration.
Might want to compare Ryan Braun's season with others, while talking ROY, too!
While I'm in no way implying Rollins is a Hall of Fame player, he just led his team putting up similar stats to a Hall of Fame middle infielder, Joe Morgan.quote:Originally posted by luvbb:quote:A leadoff guy will score more runs. A middle of the order guy will have more rbi's. These stats can be misleading. Where the hitter is placed in the order has significance.
I also agree that Rollins has done better in Hollidays forte' than Holliday has done in Rollins.
I think "history" is what Rollins has going againist him in the NL MVP votes....I think there has only ever been one other lead-off hitter who won NL MVP....Pete Rose. And shortstop? I think the NL MVP has only gone to a shortstop six times in it's 75 years of existance...last being Barry Larkin...before that Maury Wills in the early 60's.
IF Rollins should be awarded the NL MVP..he'd certainly be breaking some molds.
Too many good stats from players still in the dance.quote:Originally posted by rz1:
No Midwest luv on this site I see. The Prince from Milw deserves some consideration.
I really thought Pujols was a "shoe in" last year, but MVP went to a guy whose team didn't make the play offs.
Pujols team won it all and he hit .327 with 49 HR and 137 RBIs. On base % was .431. Scored 119 runs and won the gold glove at first base.
Ryan Howard hit .313 with 58 HRs and 149 RBI. On base % was .425. He scored 104 runs and was the worst first baseman in the league.
Still Howard's stats were arguably deserving of the MVP over the player whose team continued into the playoffs and won the World Series last year.
Making or doing well in the play offs has had very little to do with the past MVP awards. Barry Bonds has won it 7 times. Ernie Banks won it two years in a row playing for a last place team. Four of eight years (between 1996 and 2003 the MVPs in the American League played for the Texas Rangers. It's kind of a mixed bag between the teams who did well and players on teams who didn't do so well.
This year will sure be interesting. I'm betting on Holliday, but Rollins, Prince, and others will be in the running. I'm just betting on past history.
Here is a question... How many times and when was the last time a player (not a pitcher) been named league MVP when he did not hit .300 or better for that year?
Pujols team won it all and he hit .327 with 49 HR and 137 RBIs. On base % was .431. Scored 119 runs and won the gold glove at first base.
Ryan Howard hit .313 with 58 HRs and 149 RBI. On base % was .425. He scored 104 runs and was the worst first baseman in the league.
Still Howard's stats were arguably deserving of the MVP over the player whose team continued into the playoffs and won the World Series last year.
Making or doing well in the play offs has had very little to do with the past MVP awards. Barry Bonds has won it 7 times. Ernie Banks won it two years in a row playing for a last place team. Four of eight years (between 1996 and 2003 the MVPs in the American League played for the Texas Rangers. It's kind of a mixed bag between the teams who did well and players on teams who didn't do so well.
This year will sure be interesting. I'm betting on Holliday, but Rollins, Prince, and others will be in the running. I'm just betting on past history.
Here is a question... How many times and when was the last time a player (not a pitcher) been named league MVP when he did not hit .300 or better for that year?
I will admit to hearing the answer on the radio this week. It's Kevin Mitchell. But he had some big numbers. Terry Pendleton and Kirk Gibson won MVP's with numbers that would make you yawn even though they hit .300. Until I reread your question I was ready to slap Dennis Eckersley on you as the answer for below .300.quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
Here is a question... How many times and when was the last time a player (not a pitcher) been named league MVP when he did not hit .300 or better for that year?
The playoffs don't impact post season awards since they're voted on this week. They're released day by day later in the fall to keep baseball in the news on a daily basis.
Another cluth performance by the best player in the NL last night. The article on the Rockies-Padres game on MLB.com tells it like it is:
Holliday plays like an MVP -- as usual
Holliday's memory might be murky, but some postseason awards could be a refreshing reminder of his accomplishments. The slugger's final accomplishment -- scoring the game-winning run in the Rockies' 13-inning, 9-8 victory to put the Rockies in the postseason -- put the final touch on his MVP candidacy.
Holliday went 2-for-6 with two RBIs, securing the batting title with a .340 average and putting him at 137 RBIs, beating out the Phillies' Ryan Howard by one.
Holliday became the fifth player in the last 59 years to lead the National League in both batting average and RBIs. He also led the NL in hits (216), total bases (382), extra-base hits (92) and doubles (50) -- while adding one bruised chin.
"He's the MVP," shortstop Troy Tulowitzki said. "He's the best player in the league. Usually, the best players in the league come through in that situation, and he did."
Holliday had to come through against Padres closer Trevor Hoffman, against whom he had one hit against in 10 career at-bats. As the fans chanted 'M-V-P,' Holliday came up with Tulowitzki on second base, and he answered their chants with a triple off the right-field wall to tie the game.
The full article can be found here:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071002&conten...l&fext=.jsp&c_id=col
Holliday plays like an MVP -- as usual
Holliday's memory might be murky, but some postseason awards could be a refreshing reminder of his accomplishments. The slugger's final accomplishment -- scoring the game-winning run in the Rockies' 13-inning, 9-8 victory to put the Rockies in the postseason -- put the final touch on his MVP candidacy.
Holliday went 2-for-6 with two RBIs, securing the batting title with a .340 average and putting him at 137 RBIs, beating out the Phillies' Ryan Howard by one.
Holliday became the fifth player in the last 59 years to lead the National League in both batting average and RBIs. He also led the NL in hits (216), total bases (382), extra-base hits (92) and doubles (50) -- while adding one bruised chin.
"He's the MVP," shortstop Troy Tulowitzki said. "He's the best player in the league. Usually, the best players in the league come through in that situation, and he did."
Holliday had to come through against Padres closer Trevor Hoffman, against whom he had one hit against in 10 career at-bats. As the fans chanted 'M-V-P,' Holliday came up with Tulowitzki on second base, and he answered their chants with a triple off the right-field wall to tie the game.
The full article can be found here:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071002&conten...l&fext=.jsp&c_id=col
Coors Field....AND HE WAS OUT SHOULD HAVE NEVER LEFT 3RD ON THAT PLAY AND IT WAS A GREAT PLAY BY CATCHER.... Rollins for MVP
Who's stats are these?
11 hr, 55 rbi, 53 r, .301 avg, .485 slg, .860 ops
Do these compare?
12 hr, 47 rbi, 70 r, .293 avg, .507 slg, .859 ops
11 hr, 55 rbi, 53 r, .301 avg, .485 slg, .860 ops
Do these compare?
12 hr, 47 rbi, 70 r, .293 avg, .507 slg, .859 ops
Saw a nice 5 minute sit down interview with Jimmy Rollins on Sportcenter this morning. I guess it originally aired last night.
Did I miss the Matt Holliday interview on Sportscenter recently. I don't recall seeing one.
I guess it will be following the Rollins interview any day now. We'll see.
Did I miss the Matt Holliday interview on Sportscenter recently. I don't recall seeing one.
I guess it will be following the Rollins interview any day now. We'll see.
I think Matt Holliday, and if not him, then Jimmy Rollins. As stated previously, both made huge contributions to their teams, which wouldn't be in the playoffs without them.