http://www.dailypress.com/spor...nied,0,4022286.story
LSU bound senior gets ejected from district championship game and will be suspended for first round of regional play.
interesting story
Original Post
Replies sorted oldest to newest
quote:Originally posted by fenwaysouth:
It would appear that Mr Cave made a gross miscalculation. He knew it was wrong, was asked to take the jewelry off TWICE, but didn't. He only has himself to blame. It is unfortunate that he was not thinking about his team.
quote:Originally posted by Swampboy:
As far as the player's comment, "And if I'm the umpire, I don't throw out a kid in the district championship game so he can't play in the regionals for wearing a necklace," I would just turn that complaint right around. If I'm the player, I don't risk hurting my team in the district championship game by wearing unauthorized gear. Why put it in the hands of the umpire? Just wear the prescribed uniform.
quote:Originally posted by hsbasballfan:
What is the logic behind not wearing a necklace while paying baseball? Anyone want to take a stab at it?
quote:Originally posted by hsbasballfan:
What is the logic behind not wearing a necklace while paying baseball? Anyone want to take a stab at it?
My mother used to tell me to not make faces because she knew someone whose face froze.
Is there a story out there about a baseball player who got decapitated that had on a necklace?
I remember once coaching a team of teenage girls in softball...I told a girl the umpire said she had to take her earrings off to play...she went home
quote:Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
I take it Kecoughtan got eliminated somewhere along the line. Was it in the game Cave had to sit out? Would it have affected the outcome?
quote:Originally posted by Swampboy:
The coach's comments were a bit revealing. When he described how umpires deal with the jewelry issue in other games, he basically admitted that players wore something unauthorized at games all season long and umpires had to correct players all the time.
Come on, Coach. You're twenty five games into the season and you still haven't taught your players how to dress for the game?
When I officiated football, it was the same thing. Certain coaches would engage in a little game of chicken every Friday night to try to undermine the officials' authority or resolve. Whether it was the strings tied around the biceps or extra tape or tinted face masks, there were some coaches who habitually let their players wear unauthorized items.
If they truly wanted their players to comply with the rules, they would fix the problem after the first pre-season scrimmage. There were plenty of coaches (usually on the better coached, more disciplined, more successful programs) whose players were always legally equipped.
However, there was a sizable minority that made uniform rules part of their weekly test of will with the zebras. They seemed to think, "If he won't enforce this little rule, maybe I can sneak a couple extra coaches into the box. If that doesn't get me a sideline warning, maybe I can get away with standing on the field. If I can stand on the field, I can work the sideline official a little harder and maybe get the call I want later in the game." They keep pushing the limit, and then when they finally get a flag, they'd get indignant and accuse the official of suddenly being petty after ignoring rules all game long. And if the official does enforce the rule at the beginning of the game, the coach complains all night about how he got nickel-and-dimed from before the opening kickoff.
I don't know any of the players or coaches in this situation. But it seems to me that a coach who lets a player wear unauthorized jewelry in a district championship after umpires have enforced the rules all season long has no ground to stand on if the umpires don't handle the situation just the way he expects them to. All the coach had to do was bench one player one time in a non-district game in early March for wearing jewelry, and this incident never would have happened. Unfortunately, he chose not to handle it early. So he gets what he gets when he leaves it to the umpires to handle it late.
As far as the player's comment, "And if I'm the umpire, I don't throw out a kid in the district championship game so he can't play in the regionals for wearing a necklace," I would just turn that complaint right around. If I'm the player, I don't risk hurting my team in the district championship game by wearing unauthorized gear. Why put it in the hands of the umpire? Just wear the prescribed uniform.
quote:Originally posted by Doubles Work:
So he willingly broke a rule for "good luck"? Hmmmm.
quote:Originally posted by TurnTwoNet:
Based on WarriorPride's description, it sounds like the player was asking for a challenge...I don't care what reason, he obviously knew the rules and still decided to break them in the middle of a critical game. At that point, no blaming the coach or the ump, it was all on him. He let his team down. From my point of view, he let every other remaining playoff team down too as I always hope to see the best vs. the best and his actions may have changed that for other teams in the playoffs.
I do wish him the best of luck down the road and hope this incident will help him in the future.
quote:Originally posted by 4pApA:
IMO - if the ump told him to take it off when he went into the dugout and he forgot....that was the warning notification....while he may be a great kid and I wasn't there....the story (as told) reads a bit like "this doesn't apply to me"...do the rules say the 1st directive to remove must be given to the coach or is that just "best practice".....
quote:Originally posted by NOVABBall13:
But again, the player knew he was breaking the rules. Period. Don't care why or its not fair or whatever. The rules say don't wear it, he did and he got ejected. Too bad but as I said before, he always had the option to NOT put it on. The worst part is all of the effort to somehow justify that what he did was okay and that it is the umpire who is at fault... Odd logic...
quote:Originally posted by WarriorPride:quote:Originally posted by NOVABBall13:
But again, the player knew he was breaking the rules. Period. Don't care why or its not fair or whatever. The rules say don't wear it, he did and he got ejected. Too bad but as I said before, he always had the option to NOT put it on. The worst part is all of the effort to somehow justify that what he did was okay and that it is the umpire who is at fault... Odd logic...
Someone posted an analogy on the Daily Press message board that was fitting. How many times have you driven 2-3 miles an hour over the speed limit? It's against the law but how often if ever do people get tickets? There's an expectation that you have grown accustomed to.
quote:Originally posted by berryberrygood:
This story brings to mind a game I saw last Friday. West Springfield at Madison, opening round of Regionals. First batter for WS comes to plate wearing a necklace. Umpire notices it, stops play, and loudly and directly issues a warning to both benches about jewelry and says that the next infraction will result in ejection. At the time, it seemed a little abrupt for such a "minor" infraction, but if it prevents what happened to the player in this article, it is well worth it. Gotta give props to that ump.
As for the player in the article, if he or his coach was indeed warned earlier in the game, then he has no leg to stand on when he is ejected. It's too bad that it results in a suspension for the next game as well, but players must know the rules and their consequences. Players are told to remove all jewelry from -- what -- Little League on? Don't tell me he didn't know he was in violation of the rules. Nobody is above the law, no matter how "important" they are to their team.
quote:Someone posted an analogy on the Daily Press message board that was fitting. How many times have you driven 2-3 miles an hour over the speed limit? It's against the law but how often if ever do people get tickets? There's an expectation that you have grown accustomed to.