No way in Hall: Bonds doesn't belong

Totally agree.

for barroid "bail" bonds, he needs to worry more about staying out of jail than getting into the HOF



If they let this clown in they should build Pete Rose his own wing.

So that would also mean no Sosa, McGwire, or any of the other suspects? Including many of pitchers that are defying the norms?

While I don't admire Barry - and do not approved of steroid use in anyway as a performance enhancer, I do think that consistancy needs to be applied. Either let him in - or find a way to ban anyone else who has been suspected of using - which would be a very large percentage players from the late 90s and early 2000s.

If he is later proven guilty, what difference does it make? His name will be disgraced forever. I feel the same way about his stats - they are tainted and don't matter to anyone who studies the game.

08Dad:

I agree with Krak...but you make a good set of points also...something to wrestle with for certain.

You cannot deny entry to the HOF just based on "suspicions" .

Where to you begin and end with the suspicions?

Every guy with a big head?
Every guy who is now bigger than he was 5 years ago?
Every guy who had a "career" year and then went back to being a .270 hitter?

Every guy that testified in front of a Grand jury, and bold-faced lied to them is a start. Whether they knowingly or "unknowingly" were given steroids.

quote:

Rule 5 of the Hall of Fame's ballot instructions reads as follows: "Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character ..."

If you follow these standards, Sports Writers should not vote for Bonds

If they followed that rule Cobb and Ruth would not be in the HOF, just to name two

quote:

Originally posted by TRhit:
If they followed that rule Cobb and Ruth would not be in the HOF, just to name two

Was Rule 5 in place back then?

I likely can no longer be objective about Bonds and the HOF as I am so disgusted with all that he is-obnoxious, self-centered, if not a flat out soon-to-be-indicted liar, certainly purposefully very deceptive to the extreme, one who blames everyone for his troubles except the guy that could have controlled them all, himself.

If he is a bit less of "the south end of a north bound horse" throughout his career, a bit less self-centered, and one who keeps strange drugs out of his body, none of these things being particularly hard to do, none of the present circus happens, and he's a certain HOF.

08Dad....the article states that others should be kept out of the Hall too for steroid usage....not just Bonds.

Think if Bonds ends up being charged and convicted of perjury this will all be a non-issue.....

Based on his pre-steroid numbers, Bonds would warrant eventual induction into the HOF. I don't think he would have been a first ballot shoo-in, but pre-steroid, Barry was one of the better players of his generation. He had the arm, speed, base stealing skills, pretty good power, and a decent average.

Post-steroid...he's going to have problems, particularly if this new Grand Jury indicts him for perjury. MLB actually had a policy against steroids for years, they just chose not to enforce it, and no testing was done. He definitely violated Federal Law by buying and using the assortment of mad scientist cocktails that bulked him up.

The HOF's problem will be, who else has chemically pumped stats? Bonds isn't the only one, he's just the most obvious. It's possible to take smaller doses of growth enhancing drugs and increase your strength without turning into Godzilla. MLB doesn't test for HGH, and masking agents or designer steroids can avoid detection, so it's a given that other players are doing it.

Pitchers aren't exempt. I have found it interesting this year while watching MLB games that show MPH on pitches, that there are a LOT more guys this year that are throwing 86-89 mph than I've noticed before. It'll be interesting to follow this through the season.

By the way, I took some anti-nausea medicine the other night, and suffered through watching "Bonds on Bonds"...I wanted to see just how arrogant and condescending he would be...he didn't disappoint. On a high note, my wife, who follows MLB with the same zeal that a chimpanzee would study quantum physics, happened to walk in when they were showing pre-juice Barry as a Pirate, with the contrast of "flaxseed oil" induced Barry now...she said,"Oh my God, that can't be the same person", then she followed that with "he must be on the same steroids that Bonds guy is taking"...

Here is a fair deal:

MLB PART:
Barry gets put into the Hall of Fame immediately. No waiting and no vote.

COURT SYSTEM PART:
Barry doesnt get indicted.

BARRY PART:
Barry must - immediately - just go away.

LOL

Had to hear Duke Snider yesterday talking about Bonds--termed Bonds the best "pure" hitter he had ever seen and goes back to DiMaggio and Williams days

His career avg. pre-flaxseed oil was .289....I would think that Gwynn or Boggs would be considered more of a pure hitter than Barry.

But from 1999-now, if bases were loaded and I needed a Grand Slam to win, Barry would be the man to be at the plate.

Let's try one more time... when it comes to Mr. Bonds it is NOT a matter of suspicion. HE
has admitted to using steroid products, particulary the "clear" and the "cream". His (ridiculous) defense is that he did not know they were steroids.

He took 'em. He's admitted it.

Barry perjured himself.

Bad lawyers - and bad ego.

LOL

Bye Bye Barry!