Non-Qualifier Question?

The Transfer Guide explains this pretty well. See page 14.

Short summary. A non-qualifer who transfers to a D1 must fufill 4 requirements to play right away.

• Complete at least 3 semesters at the JC
  
• Graduate from the JC
  
• Earn 48 transferrable credit hours, with some English and math
  
• Have a 2.0GPA in the transferrable hours

The D2 requirements are much simpler.

I am a little confused too. So, Im going to try to sort this out with you.

Your child is a hs senior.... yes? NCAA clearinghouse "non-qualifier"... yes? Is he NCAA Clearinghouse D2 qualified?

Ok, now as a NCAA D1 non qualifier, your son can certainly go the Juco route. There are plenty of very good junior colleges around the nation. It sounds like one of them is recruiting your son. That coach will most likely want two years of play out of your boy. That is very standard. Have your son work with the juco academic advisor and he should be ready to transfer to a D1 at the end of the two years.

Really, in my very honest opinion, baseball players who are not high academic achievers should really really really highly consider going the juco route. I say this because it is much easier to move forward through the academic system while playing a sport than it is to move backward while playing a sport.

Let me explain.

Say your kid goes to a 4 year institution out of high school and for whatever reason (grades, play time, homesick, etc.) after a year wants to leave the school. That is when the sit out year applies. Or, he can go to a juco but to leave the juco you have to earn your AA before. The hill just a bit got steeper.

If the boy just started out at the juco it is about academic progress, not earning your AA.

3fingered, care to weigh in?

Thanks, the JC route is fine, as he would be a DII qualifier and actually has offers from DII's.

But, with the DI having a DI team and the NJCAA team on another campus, it wouldn't be a transfer.
It would be a campus change, so in order for him to play on the DI team he would have to sit one year, because he was a non-DI qualifier out of high school even thou he played on an NJCAA team, he would be a student at a DI university.

Does that make sense?

3F, I hear you are the Guru of NCAA, so thank you...I will print out the transfer guide, but the coach said this wouldn't be considered a transfer under NCAA rules....

3fg, you were writing your post as I was asking you to weigh in...

you are the best!

Is he in HS or 1st year of college? I am sorry, but I can't tell from your posts.

I have never heard of a junior college being a part of a D1 college. It should not be a campus change.. It should be a level change. JC to D1

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Your child is a hs senior.... yes? NCAA clearinghouse "non-qualifier"... yes? Is he NCAA Clearinghouse D2 qualified?

Yes. HS Senior, I don't think he will be a DI qualifier, new high school and he may not have 16 core classes...we are still working with the school on getting classes approved.

He is DII qualified.

We are all for the JC route, but this one school is actually DI, but just a smaller campus of the bigger main DI campus with there own NJCAA team.

If he is a non qualifier and goes the JUCO route he will need to get his AA degree, then he can transfer to a D-1.

If he is D-2 qualified and wants to transfer after a period of time to a D-1 that may be possible, although I can not imagine a D-2 team recruiting you knowing of your intention to transfer later to a D-1.

OK, we need to get some definitions square.
Is the NJCAA school a Branch School?
14.02.1 Branch School. A branch school is an educational institution that usually offers two years of college work, does not award degrees independently, and is wholly controlled and operated by a four-year, degree-granting parent institution.

If a player transfers from the Branch School to the parent institution, it is not considered to be a transfer. (14.5.3.3)

The coach is probably relying on the following:
14.3.4 Residence Requirement—Nonqualifier. A nonqualifier must fulfill an academic year of residence (see Bylaw 14.02.13) in order to be eligible for practice, competition and athletically related financial aid (see Bylaw 14.3.2.1.1).
However, all of section 14.3 applies to entering freshmen, so it shouldn't affect a player moving from a branch school to a parent school. Does attending a branch school constitute residence at the parent school? If it doesn't, why isn't it considered to be a transfer?

Since he wouldn't be a transfer, the following does apply and may cause him to only have three season of eligibility:
14.3.3 Seasons of Competition—Nonqualifier. Nonqualifiers, recruited or nonrecruited, shall not engage in more than three seasons of competition in any one sport. A student who transfers to a Division I member institution from another collegiate institution shall not engage in more than four seasons of competition with not more than three of those seasons in Division I.
14.3.3.1 Fourth Season of Competition—Not a Qualifier. A fourth season of intercollegiate competition shall be granted to a student-athlete who is not a qualifier, provided that at the beginning of the fifth academic year following the student-athlete’s initial, full-time collegiate enrollment, the student athlete has completed at least 80 percent of his or her designated degree program.

This rule is also in the section associated with entering freshmen and assumes that the nonqualifier has sat out a year, and that makes me think that the NCAA didn't intend to penalize a nonqualifier who has shown academic progress at a branch school.

I think this situation should be clarified with the NCAA. Perhaps the NCAA chooses to enforce 14.3.4 even for non-entering freshmen. Either way, a nonqualifier may have to sit out a season between year 4 and 5 if he hasn't already completed 80% of his degree program. Be sure to get an opinion in writing. By the way, the Bylaws specifically allow for a waiver regarding the 4th season of eligibility.

3FG ...That is IT! I knew you could find the answer to this....Thank You, it is a "branch",

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Originally posted by floridafan:
If he is a non qualifier and goes the JUCO route he will need to get his AA degree, then he can transfer to a D-1.

If he is D-2 qualified and wants to transfer after a period of time to a D-1 that may be possible, although I can not imagine a D-2 team recruiting you knowing of your intention to transfer later to a D-1.

NO, going D2 then transferring D1, not anything he is currently thinking about.

He is looking into the JUCO route and hopefully have more options baseball wise, after one or two years. If baseball doesn't pan out then at least he would have some more insight on an alternative career.