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Okay, umpires...second try at a conversation.

Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
My first attempt to discuss the fallacy of "any part of the ball hits any part of the zone" fell apart when examples became more important than the concept and practice that was being discussed.

Let's try again:

We, well the umpires responding, agreed that a pitch can hit some portion of the strike zone at the front of the plate and exit the plate completely out of the strike zone. Most of us agreed that that pitch would not be called a strike.

Now to the opposite of that situation: A pitch comes in up and then drops and exits the plate at the top of the zone.

How is this pitch handled?
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yawetagyawetag100+ posts
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Okay, Matt...do you believe it is easier to sell the high pitch that breaks into the zone than it is the low pitch that breaks out of the zone?


Certainly. For the pitch that breaks into the zone, F2 is going to make it look like a strike by where he catches it. For one that breaks outside, he's having to chase it; getting away with a called strike is difficult in this situation.
M Matt1310,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
I agree with you both, Yawetag and Matt. But most college pitching coaches would rather have you call the low out of zone pitch a strike than the up in the zone pitch. They don't want their pitcher rewarded for getting the ball up. He might think he can get away with it.


Very well aware of that, but the defense isn't the one complaining on the gotten strikes.
Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Matt13:
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
I agree with you both, Yawetag and Matt. But most college pitching coaches would rather have you call the low out of zone pitch a strike than the up in the zone pitch. They don't want their pitcher rewarded for getting the ball up. He might think he can get away with it.


Very well aware of that, but the defense isn't the one complaining on the gotten strikes.


Agreed.
jjkjjk500+ posts
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Originally posted by Rob Kremer:
OK, I have a question for umpires here:

Is it possible for a good 12-6 curve ball to be in the strike zone as it crosses the front of the plate, and then drop sharply enough to hit he dirt at the back of the plate?


There is never dirt on the back of my plate, but..

Yes, I am sure it is possible, I bet Mr. Moyer as an 11-12 yr. old pulled it off.

I've never called it myself, never got one as an F1, never had it called as a batter.

Now there was some very impressive mathematics on the previous post. Run those numbers again with the following info:

Release point (travel distance) of 55' an average stride for F1.
Released from say 65" height.
Batter 5'8" who's hollow of the knee is about 15" high, minus dia. of the ball, call it 13".
Traveling at say 60 mph.
GG Gold Glove100+ posts
I am going to take a stab at this from the batters viewpoint. If a breaking ball starts in the strike zone I have a chance to hit it while it's still in the strike zone. Chances are I am swinging at a pitch on the inside half to the middle of the plate and I should make contact before it drops out of the strike zone. On the other hand a pitch that starts out above the strike zone I am laying off. If it drops in the stike zone late I have no shot. Just one man's opinion.

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