Out of state Recruitment?

futurecatcher,
State schools like to recruit mostly within the state, financially it works well for them, the player and the parents.
Some schools do not go by that philosophy, so if they are going to look out of state, you usually have to be a pretty outstanding player because OS players are sometimes offered more as an incentive.

California is one of those states that is loaded with homegrown talent, they have no reason to go looking any where else.

JMO

IMO, if you are interested and CAN PLAY for them they will be interested

good luck

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because OS players are sometimes offered more as an incentive.

I think it has as much to do with the total cost as it does talent. Out of state student athletes are usually given more, if they are good enough, because they have to pay quite a bit more than in state student athletes to attend that certain school.

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California is one of those states that is loaded with homegrown talent, they have no reason to go looking any where else.

EXACTLY!!!!

The California point is correct. Same applies to Florida, Georgia, Texas and a few other states.

But the original point is correct...most college baseball teams are loaded with relatively local talent. Cost almost surely is a factor as baseball is not a big revenue generator at most schools...yet.

In my research thus far, it seems you'll find a very strong geographical mix of players at some of the better DII and especially DIII programs. I've seen some rosters where, at most, 25% of the players were from instate. I don't think you'll find anything near this at the DI level, and most especially not in places like Texas, Cali, and SEC-Land. Why look outside when your state is bursting at the seams with readily seen and followed talent?
BTW, Oklahoma State used to be a perennial powerhouse - not sure about these days.

Check out DI upcoming powerhouse Coastal Carolina.

Coach Gilmore knows how to recruit and he wants to get to Omaha!

Of 43 players on the roster, those from in-state South Carolina...12...yes...12.

Before I lived in OKlahoma I lived in California, I really would like to go to college there.

Re: Coastal - They have tremendous competition for top South Carolina talent due to several College powerhouses in the state - namely Clemson and South Carolina but there are other fine D1 programs there as well. They seem to have found a niche by recruiting from Northern climates like Illinois, PA, New Jersey, Ohio, Canada, and Washigton State. Many kids want to play in the south.

Re: Playing in California. It's certainly possible if you have the talent. However, somehow you have to place yourself in front of California coaches either by playing there or more likely showcasing there. I was told by one prominent California coach (i.e., Stanford)they will not recruit you unless they have seen you play - live. They are generally not going to fly out and see you play in Oklahoma. Good luck.

My son has 2 friends who had big scholarships from Oklahoma State. David Davison signed a pro deal and just finished his 3rd year in minor ball. Nick Weglarz signed a Pro deal. Both decided to take the money.
John Marriotti is at Costal Carolina. My son pitched against him. He was at Gulf Coast hitting 350+ with 12-13 HR a year and was drafted twice by the Angels. I would think he is in his last year of eligibility. These are 3 great ball players. I know approx what Davidson and Weglarz were offered but I am not possitive. I know it was a lot.
I think Canadians are expensive in terms of overall budget as would out of state guys be. In state guys have a cheaper total cost and have funding not available to out of state guys.
I also think the coaches don't get to see OS players. They often have to go out of their way to see OS players. It often invoves a plane trip which most of them are too busy to make.
When we satrted our video campaigne we knew we had a challenge. We knew we had to make it unnecesary for coaches to hop on a plane to see him. You do that by swhowing your son playing against players who are already at the college level and beyond. You also reseach the makeup of the roster. There were teams we knew recruited only in their own state. We avoided most of them. I researched the college and Pro players my son pitched against. Showing a 17 year old stiking out top college players and minor league guys is a powerfull statement. I even had stats of some of these guys to discuss with the coaches on the phone if they showed interest.

You will find a very large majority of in state players at top 40-50 type programs in Texas, California, Florida, Georgia and some other states. On the other hand you will see a much higher % of out of state players at power programs in other areas.

A Few Examples:

Nebraska – 26 out of state -11 in state
Notre Dame – 28 out of state – 4 in state
Clemson - 25 out of state – 9 in state
South Carolina – 21 out of state – 18 in state
Arizona State – 16 out of state – 19 in state
Arkansas – 29 out of state – 10 in state
Oklahoma State – 22 out of state – 15 in state

There are many other examples… sorry, don’t have time to check them all.

Another thing to keep in mind:
There are many more DI colleges in Florida, California and Texas than other states. While most of these colleges have a high percentage of in state players, as a whole those STATES also have the most out of state players. In other words, there are more out of state players playing DI baseball in California, Florida and Texas than there is in most all, if not all, other states.

So a talented out of state player will still have opportunities in those states. Also what would be more revealing is the percentages (in and out of state) that actually get the majority of the playing time at these colleges. Most often the “filler” types on these rosters are in state players. (easier to recruit – less investment)

Just some stuff to think about.
There's a lot to think about.

I go to California usually once a year,so meaning from here on out each time I am there I need to make sure its at the time of a showcase

catcher27,

don't dwell on percentages - what do you care if you're 1 of 16 OS'ers or the ONLY OS'er on the roster??

get some good opinions on your (projected) ability at the college level, then target some that fit, communicate your interest & play in front of 'em at showcase(s) or camp(s)

to get your shot, they have to need your position, have to believe that you can contribute to their program, AND be comfortable with your academics

good luck


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Originally posted by PGStaff:
You will find a very large majority of in state players at top 40-50 type programs in Texas, California, Florida, Georgia and some other states. On the other hand you will see a much higher % of out of state players at power programs in other areas.

A Few Examples:

Nebraska – 26 out of state -11 in state
Notre Dame – 28 out of state – 4 in state
Clemson - 25 out of state – 9 in state
South Carolina – 21 out of state – 18 in state
Arizona State – 16 out of state – 19 in state
Arkansas – 29 out of state – 10 in state
Oklahoma State – 22 out of state – 15 in state

There are many other examples… sorry, don’t have time to check them all.

Another thing to keep in mind:
There are many more DI colleges in Florida, California and Texas than other states. While most of these colleges have a high percentage of in state players, as a whole those STATES also have the most out of state players. In other words, there are more out of state players playing DI baseball in California, Florida and Texas than there is in most all, if not all, other states.

So a talented out of state player will still have opportunities in those states. Also what would be more revealing is the percentages (in and out of state) that actually get the majority of the playing time at these colleges. Most often the “filler” types on these rosters are in state players. (easier to recruit – less investment)

Just some stuff to think about.
There's a lot to think about.

Not sure I am understanding your statements. Please explain if I misunderstood what you are saying.

Yes Florida has the most d1 schools, but the top tier state programs rosters are mostly from Fl. You will find opportunities more available for out of state players at some of the lower tier baseball schools because so many in state players would rather go out of state to play for the bigger schools than stay in state (got that).
My understanding has always been that the state schools will always offer to the best in Florida first. I know that is what happened in case of our son. He preferred going out of state rather than playing at a largeflorida state school where the roster was HUGE.
I am not taking into consideration the private institutions like Miami or Stetson.
In South Carolina, the schools often have more out of state players, might be due to the fact that they are not all that satisfied with the talent plus as mentioned they need to compete against each other in a very small state.

Regardless,as told to me,all schools recruit the best they can to put together an NCAA regional team, if they have to go out of state to find the talent they will.

Futurecatcher was just wondering why ther were so many californians playing in california schools.

Another reason some state schools recruit a lot of out-of-state talent is because they are urged to do so. If you can get an out-of-state player for the same 2,000 scholarship as the in-state player, the school makes more money.

This can. in fact, be a condition to get closer to full funding.

TPM, Not sure I understand which statements your not sure you’re understanding? But I understand that many people do not understand what I’m trying to say. It happens often!

"Statements", sounds way too official. Could we call them thoughts or opinions?

I will try to explain though. It's always easiest for me to use comparisons and/or examples. Please forgive any unintentional mistake in the numbers below.

For this example let’s compare Iowa and Florida. (Two states near and dear to my heart) I know that’s opposite ends of the baseball spectrum, but just to make a point...

Iowa has 2 DI schools, with a total of 27 out of state players on the rosters. Florida has around a dozen (I think) DI schools.

U of Iowa has 16 out of state players on their roster… Combination of Miami, Florida State and Florida have 16 out of state players on their rosters.

In other words there are an equal number of “possibilities” (call them openings) in the three top Florida Programs as there is at the U of Iowa. Then there’s one more DI scholarship opportunity in the state of Iowa (1 school) and about 9 more DI scholarship opportunities (9 schools) in Florida.

Overall, there will be many more DI players from "out of state" playing in Florida’s dozen DI schools as there is in Iowa’s two DI schools. This despite the fact that the Florida schools predomently recruit "in state" players. More schools being the major reason of course, but never the less more opportunity, more openings, for the talented player to play in Florida vs Iowa. Though I don't know why they would leave the beautiful snow in the North to attend a college in Florida.

By the way, even the Florida Schools want the very best players possible, no matter what state the player is from. Buster Posey should come in kind of handy at Florida State. And Cesar Carrillo came in kind of handy at Miami.

One could also check the same results in say… Arizona vs California or Texas vs Oklahoma.

I'm fairly certain… There will be more out of state players (as a whole) in California than Arizona, despite the fact the California schools have a much higher percentage of in state players. There will be more out of state players (as a whole) in Texas than in Oklahoma, despite the fact the Texas schools have a much higher percentage of in state players. Sorry about using Iowa and Florida as examples (couldn’t help myself)

Bottom line – More possibilities (as a whole) exist in the big three baseball states for all talented players. In state for sure, but out of state, too! Not by the percentages, but by the raw number of potential openings!

If there are 100 out of state players at Texas DIs and 50 out of state players in Oklahoma DIs. Throw the percentages out the window... there's more chances in Texas!

Of course, if we talk about chances at any "one" specific school from one state vs "one" specific school from another state… You can throw all these numbers out the window.

Hopefully, this might clear up what I was trying to say earlier. Can’t spend much more time trying to explain my thoughts as we are headed to Florida (from Iowa) tomorrow.

Merry Christmas to all

FWIW - I understood the first time

Bottom line for the young man who started this thread, if he wants to play in California, and has the requisite talent, he can make that dream/goal become a reality. All it takes is for one coach out there to fall in love with him. Go out there and knock their socks off.

Have a nice trip to Florida!

futurecatcher,

I apologize for not responding directly to you, as you are the one who started this topic. I hope you have gathered some information here. The people giving you suggestions know what they're talking about. For example, Bee> has a son who is a catcher at Georgia Tech and they are from Ohio.

Here is something to think about. It wouldn't be a bad goal (plan A) for you to first try to draw some interest from Oklahoma or Oklahoma State. These are two highest level DI programs. Better than at least some of the California DIs. Chances are if they're interested, so will some California schools. If you're playing in Oklahoma and the DIs in Oklahoma show no interest, you might want to think about plan B.

I have a hunch, you are capable of succeeding with plan A. Best of luck.

A twist to this question.....
My son is a Soph fro VA. Started on Varsity as a Frosh. Will be attending his 3rd PG showcase next week.
He really would like to play down south (GA or FL).
A couple of folks have mentioned if he really wants that, he should consider playing on a summer team based in one of those states.
Certainly, if he is talented, he will be seen by many of these schools at PG showcases.

But what are your thoughts about playing on a GA or FL based summer team?

Merry Chrsitmas!!!!!!!

jjbaseball,

That is very difficult to answer. I will be in Florida next week if you want to try looking me up.

Merry Christmas

Related to this string in a reverse way...I remember when our son started hearing from some out-of-California schools...the very first question was, "Would he even consider leaving California for college?" While he ended up staying in the state, he of course would have left and came very close to doing exactly that.

I even talked to one coach a year later who had recruited him pretty hard after that question was answered 'yes he would,' but suddenly stopped recruiting him. I asked "why did you stop?" He said, more or less, that he heard he would never leave the state of California.

Just goes to show, it goes both ways and in some ways became a self-fulfilling prophecy as we was VERY interested in that school whose coach I mentioned.

PG,
I got ya now, just a little slow this week!
I hear you saying,because there are more opportunities here there are more openings!
I was thinking more about the state universitites, not so much private, due to our Bright Futures scholarship program.
Many people wonder why son left state to go out of state to school. Putting aside baseball opportunities elswhere, and although it would have been more economical and we would have seen him play more often, he wanted a change of scenery.
Thus opening up an opportunity for an out of state player.

JBB,
Many talented players here in FL want to go play at Stanford!

thanks for all the input everyone
I will be attending some of the showcases at Big west schools hopefully at the end of the coming summer.

As Bee has pointed out...% be darned.

If you have the talent and attend their camps, you'll have a chance! This is the single best way to attend the school of your choice.

If you get involved with PG as a freshman/sophomore you'll increase that chance.

If you play on any of the top 30-40 nationally oriented travel
teams that frequent Jupiter, East Cobb etc. your moving in the right direction.

No doubt the Florida travel teams will be scouted by the big 3 in Florida and all the schools down there.

But the one single best approach is to make contact with the recuiting coach at the various school's of your choice and get to their select camp...and perform!