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Over-running first base

S say1956Member
Age-old question: The batter over-runs first base after a late throw to the first baseman from the shortstop. The batter steps into fair territory, stops and proceeds to walk back to first base. The 1st baseman, who now has the ball, tags the batter/runner. The ump calls him out. I got into a heated argument with the ump about this. I believe the rules state that the batter/runner has to make an obvious move to 2nd base. The ump said that it didn't make any difference, once the batter/runner is in fair territory, he's fair game. I told him that was wrong, but he would not look it up. What does everyone think?
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F 3FingeredGlove1,000+ posts
All the rule sets agree, but the FED rule is probably the most clear:

8-2-7 A batter-runner who reaches first base safely and then overruns or overslides may immediately return without liability of being put out provided he does not attempt or feint an advance to second.

The umpire has to judge whether an attempt or feint was made. Perhaps the umpire judged that "Steps into fair territory" before the runner stopped was an attempt or feint. I probably would see it that way. Certainly "obvious" is not the correct criterion of an attempt or feint.

Most runners who have beaten the throw and who aren't trying for second come to a stop before turning.
D DECK10+ posts
I'm going to add a little twist to this, and direct this question to the other umpires out there: Assuming a 2man crew, and R1 on 2nd (so U2 in in position C), B2 grounds to F6. R1 holds untill F6 throws to F3, then breaks for 3rd. B2 beats throw, and F3 throws to 3rd in attempt to get R1.

What does your state or local association suggest for the mechanics here? Does U1 take the call at 3rd, leaving U2 to watch the over-run, or vise-versa?
piaa_umppiaa_ump5,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
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Originally posted by dash_riprock:
I've never even heard of that fair/foul myth, and I thought I had heard them all.


It's just a variation of the "runner cannot turn left" myth.


Like the swallows fromm Capistrano, the HOBO umpires of summer rec ball re-appear every summer and the results will show up here......Hobo's bring with them every bad mechanic and relying on every known myth to bluff their way through a game....

Some are proficient....but many of them havent ever atttended any sort of clinic or even seen the inside of a rule book......
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FU Forest Ump100+ posts
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Originally posted by DECK:
I'm going to add a little twist to this, and direct this question to the other umpires out there: Assuming a 2man crew, and R1 on 2nd (so U2 in in position C), B2 grounds to F6. R1 holds untill F6 throws to F3, then breaks for 3rd. B2 beats throw, and F3 throws to 3rd in attempt to get R1.

What does your state or local association suggest for the mechanics here? Does U1 take the call at 3rd, leaving U2 to watch the over-run, or vise-versa?


The base umpire has all plays in the infield in the scenario you described. He stays with the ball the whole time.
M Matt1310,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
I often think," Did that sounds as dumb to you when you said it as it did when I heard it?" Can't actually asks him that but I have thought it many times.


I've said it once. Bases loaded, and batter squeezes. Safe all around. DM comes out and argues that the batter interfered with his catcher's opportunity to catch the pitch. I repeated, verbatim, what he said to me. He said yes. I asked him if he wanted me to call interfence any time a batter hit the ball.
Michael S. TaylorMichael S. Taylor1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Matt13:
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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
I often think," Did that sounds as dumb to you when you said it as it did when I heard it?" Can't actually asks him that but I have thought it many times.


I've said it once. Bases loaded, and batter squeezes. Safe all around. DM comes out and argues that the batter interfered with his catcher's opportunity to catch the pitch. I repeated, verbatim, what he said to me. He said yes. I asked him if he wanted me to call interfence any time a batter hit the ball.

Classic.

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