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This has been talked about recently but I couldn't find the thread.  My 2017 is starting to put together a list of schools he's interested in and we just did a cursory check of many PAC 12 rosters: If you look at ALL the players on the UC rosters (including UCSD), there are fewer than ten players who are not from California. On Oregon's roster alone, more than half the players are from California.

 

Very sobering stats for a kid from out of state who wants to play for a UC.  Even if he's good enough, the pickings are slim.

"Don't be mean now because remember: Wherever you go, there you are..." Buckaroo Banzai

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If you have PAC12 talent then you can come to California events to be seen. If a player has a target school then get in touch with them. Grades become a factor at places like Cal and Stanford so the process really is not that complicated. Again if the player has PAC12 talent. Probably the biggest limiting factor is also out of state tuition, which can be pretty high, add this up with the pool of talent here, you would not expect to see too many out of state players. 

Top Coach+Top Facility+Top Fan Support+Limited PAC12 Options+ Affordable+ Easy to get into* = Top Baseball Program

 

It is easy to see why Oregon will continue to be a baseball powerhouse. Given the demographics it is also easy to see why the PAC12 will continue to be a baseball powerhouse conference.

 

* Oregon is considered a "safe school" for many CA students

Originally Posted by JCG:

It's not just baseball. Lots of CA kids become Ducks, especially now that UC's have become ridiculously hard to get into.

There ya go again!  I take a lotta blame for the situation out West, but thanks for getting me off the hook! 

 

Back to the original post - you included a comment about UCSD in the same post about the Pac12.  Not totally sure what you meant, but I assume you know they're not in the Pac12 - in fact, they're D2 which explains somewhat the heavy CA-based roster.  The other UC's (UC Davis, UC Irvine, UC Riverside) - all have lots of talent to pull from within CA itself - and budgets sometime dictate that you stick with in-state kids.

 

Stanford recruits nationwide and many of the other Pac12 schools are doing a little more of that of late.

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Originally Posted by justbaseball:
Originally Posted by JCG:

It's not just baseball. Lots of CA kids become Ducks, especially now that UC's have become ridiculously hard to get into.

There ya go again!  I take a lotta blame for the situation out West, but thanks for getting me off the hook! 

 

Back to the original post - you included a comment about UCSD in the same post about the Pac12.  Not totally sure what you meant, but I assume you know they're not in the Pac12 - in fact, they're D2 which explains somewhat the heavy CA-based roster.  The other UC's (UC Davis, UC Irvine, UC Riverside) - all have lots of talent to pull from within CA itself - and budgets sometime dictate that you stick with in-state kids.

 

Stanford recruits nationwide and many of the other Pac12 schools are doing a little more of that of late.

Thanks for pointing out UCSD is Div 2.  I knew that but I wasn't clear. 

We live in Seattle and my son has been very interested in college in California.

 

Here's how a UC recruiting coordinator told it to me while my son was at his camp and performing with the best three kids there. "Your son maybe as good or better than the better kids we are watching down here. But I can head over to (Inland Empire) and find three boys with similar tools and who are so poor they qualify for full financial aid so that I can walk them on and have $ left over for my staff. I would still have to strain to offer you 33% toward out of state costs of attendance. What choice makes sense for us?" I had to agree with him.

 

Son continued to exchange emails with this coach until son started drawing interest from other coaches who were more active in their pursuit.  That coach's position makes complete sense to me. Even at a fully funded program and despite the fit for me boy, it was clear my son was competing against way more than a pool of talent. The financials matter in the case of the UCs way more than they might at other public schools with tiered tuition rates for in/out of state students.

 

Notably, son is still in touch with one CSU, and two other western state university's that participate in the WUE program which they can use to offset the out-of-state cost of attendance to kids from certain western states. 

Originally Posted by tres_arboles:

We live in Seattle and my son has been very interested in college in California.

 

Here's how a UC recruiting coordinator told it to me while my son was at his camp and performing with the best three kids there. "Your son maybe as good or better than the better kids we are watching down here. But I can head over to (Inland Empire) and find three boys with similar tools and who are so poor they qualify for full financial aid so that I can walk them on and have $ left over for my staff. I would still have to strain to offer you 33% toward out of state costs of attendance. What choice makes sense for us?" I had to agree with him.

 

Son continued to exchange emails with this coach until son started drawing interest from other coaches who were more active in their pursuit.  That coach's position makes complete sense to me. Even at a fully funded program and despite the fit for me boy, it was clear my son was competing against way more than a pool of talent. The financials matter in the case of the UCs way more than they might at other public schools with tiered tuition rates for in/out of state students.

 

Notably, son is still in touch with one CSU, and two other western state university's that participate in the WUE program which they can use to offset the out-of-state cost of attendance to kids from certain western states. 

And this is the hard reality for most of us. Now, if you can pay out-of-pocket to attend a UC, even with out of state tuition, then you probably have a lot of doors still open for you. Outside of the PAC12, there are other D1 programs out West that would love to have great players that can afford their tuition. However, if you are like most of us, we have to weigh what is best athletically, educationally and financially.

Here is a link to the schools that participate in the WUE program that tres_arboles referred to :

http://wue.wiche.edu/search_re...s.jsp?searchType=all

 

Note that none of the UC schools participate and some of the schools listed restrict applicants to certain majors.Still,it's a fine program for students who wish to attend out of state schools at close to in state tuition rates.

 

The University of Oregon used to participate in this program until they got over run with Californians! LOL.

 

Also,here is another thing to consider when looking at CSU schools.For Fall 2015, at least 17 of the 23 California State University (CSU) campuses have declared impaction for first-time freshmen.This is problematic for those coming from out of state.

A huge reason why California state school rosters are full of California kids are the ridiculous out of state tuition stipends and the significant state restrictions on financial aid. The schools heavily restrict academic or other funding you would otherwise be eligible for if you come from out of state.  In the case of my 2015, he was recruited by UCSD who told him straight up, they don't recruit out of state kids because it just never works out.  They wanted to give him a shot anyway.  We considered and even though we would have paid more than an in state tuition, they couldn't come close.  The state limited academic money to $2K for out of state students and no funds can be used to offset the out of state tax/stipend.  Of course they want to keep out of state students out of the system and it works.  I personally could not justify paying an additional $23K tax just because he lived in another state when other good institutions were available.  It is a very hard fit on both sides for the coaches and kids.  

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