Trying to find some better discussion of the PG Tech peak speeds and Speeds Gains. The PG site has some benchmarks (single speeds for "fully mature elite" and then says higher is better.
My internet search has not identified any additional literature discussing these speeds. Does anyone have any resources or insights they can share? My 2024 seems to have good speeds but it didn't quite translate into good exit velocity.
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Ranges for each metric, copied from the K-Motion website. https://www.k-motion.com/k-coach/k-baseball/
Hi/lo by age is probably something you'd have to ask PG about.
If the sequence isn't right, your result will suffer, regardless of good peak speeds. Bottom up.
Too often the arms/hands jump the sequence.
2024's was not the "ideal" sequence (p/t/a/h) as the torso went before the pelvis but was followed by arm/hand. Did see others with numbers that were pretty high - without massive EV's -so I am not convinced that the "pro ranges" above are a great indicator viewed independent of one another. Got some additional metrics posted (barrel speed/momentum/acceleration) but starting to think that these cannot be easily deciphered looking for improvement (simply too many moving parts). Anyone have a favorite cage/tee hitting metric?
Has a hitting instructor looked at his swing to tell you where he is losing power? I'd think that would be much more helpful than any metric you can find using gadgets. A place like the Florida Baseball Armory (they also do hitting) would be able to break down the swing and give you drills to fix any deficiencies. Cressey Sports in FL and MA is another option that would provide good info.
What are the height and weight metrics?
Not huge at 5-10 170#. He has had a few folks look at his swing - nothing too in-depth - and it generally looks good according to their feedback. Was trying to see if something in the "gadget" output might be useful. Not looking for major changes, just trying to see if some metric sticks out - good or bad - that could be low hanging fruit for future improvement. He does have a relatively flat swing as he is smart enough to know he is probably not going to hit it out of the park, so he doesn't hit too many fly balls - but is able to to reach the wall on 1-2 hops if he hits the gap - usually goes oppo gap hitting right handed.
Sounds like he needs to have some knowledgeable folks look at the swing itself and then perhaps take a look at some of the metrics to see what might be working and what might need work on particular aspects of the swing.
College coaches are going to care more about the swing than the metrics, I can promise you that. If there are flaws in the swing I wouldn't send out video until there isn't. What position(s) does he play?
You can throw money at the wall in the form of gadgets all day long, or you can spend the money on someone who really knows what they are doing and has a proven history of success. With a 2024, your window to improve is getting smaller by the day if playing college ball is the goal.
@2017 Lefty Dad posted:Not huge at 5-10 170#. He has had a few folks look at his swing - nothing too in-depth - and it generally looks good according to their feedback. Was trying to see if something in the "gadget" output might be useful. Not looking for major changes, just trying to see if some metric sticks out - good or bad - that could be low hanging fruit for future improvement. He does have a relatively flat swing as he is smart enough to know he is probably not going to hit it out of the park, so he doesn't hit too many fly balls - but is able to to reach the wall on 1-2 hops if he hits the gap - usually goes oppo gap hitting right handed.
Sounds like he needs to have some knowledgeable folks look at the swing itself and then perhaps take a look at some of the metrics to see what might be working and what might need work on particular aspects of the swing.
If you are inclined to throw some money at this, hoping for improvement, I would suggest throwing it at the best hitting instructor you can find. Not at gadgets.
@2017 Lefty Dad posted:2024's was not the "ideal" sequence (p/t/a/h) as the torso went before the pelvis but was followed by arm/hand. Did see others with numbers that were pretty high - without massive EV's -so I am not convinced that the "pro ranges" above are a great indicator viewed independent of one another. Got some additional metrics posted (barrel speed/momentum/acceleration) but starting to think that these cannot be easily deciphered looking for improvement (simply too many moving parts). Anyone have a favorite cage/tee hitting metric?
Torso before pelvis is a big red flag. I'd work on fixing that first.
@2017 Lefty Dad, I would advise you not to stay caught up in analyzing your son’s swing by yourself. Even if you can figure out the parts that need improvement I highly doubt that you can properly communicate the fix to your son. The best thing you can do is get video from the perspective of the opposite batter’s box and send it to the best hitting instructor you can find to work with your son. It’s a rare thing for a Dad to be able to coach his own son effectively once they reach HS age. I’m a baseball lifer and I’m one of the few that’s qualified to do it and I didn’t try. I didn’t want the strain of doing that to affect my relationship with my boys. Besides, I’m a pitching guy. And while I understand a lot about the swing I’m not a hitting instructor. I can recognize flaws but I don’t know how to teach the fix. So with my youngest son I got him with the best hitting instructor in our area and the results were fantastic. I learned enough to talk with my son about it but he understood his swing much better than I ever did. And that’s what you want.
@adbono posted:@2017 Lefty Dad, I would advise you not to stay caught up in analyzing your son’s swing by yourself. Even if you can figure out the parts that need improvement I highly doubt that you can properly communicate the fix to your son. The best thing you can do is get video from the perspective of the opposite batter’s box and send it to the best hitting instructor you can find to work with your son. It’s a rare thing for a Dad to be able to coach his own son effectively once they reach HS age. I’m a baseball lifer and I’m one of the few that’s qualified to do it and I didn’t try. I didn’t want the strain of doing that to affect my relationship with my boys. Besides, I’m a pitching guy. And while I understand a lot about the swing I’m not a hitting instructor. I can recognize flaws but I don’t know how to teach the fix. So with my youngest son I got him with the best hitting instructor in our area and the results were fantastic. I learned enough to talk with my son about it but he understood his swing much better than I ever did. And that’s what you want.
This is sound advice, every bit of it. I spent too much time "tweeking" my youngest son. I learned the hard way. He is now with an excellent hitting coach who makes sure he understands his swing and that my son recognizes when he does it right and when something goes wrong and why,, and it is making a big difference.
I do think you are thinking the right way in using the metrics to see if they point out something, rather than just trying to increase or improve them. I do think the sequence is something to address but that certainly shouldn't overhaul his swing.
It might just be as simple as a thought process that keys HIPS, as the first thought after the weight shift happens to front heel strike. Or keeping everything loose but tighten the hips as that tends to activate what is tight fire first. he might be tight in the shoulders and that's making the torso fire first, be loose don't "muscle up".
From some of the stuff you posted, sounds like he isn't struggling and has a good approach. Trust with continued growth of size and strength those one hoppers in the gap will be home runs.
