PHI vs SF

Did you expect anything else from the press? Many of our racial problems result from issues that are blown out of proportion by the press

The umps blew the call on the play involving interference...they didn't have the luxury of seeing it from an elevated position as we did on television...they called it as they saw it.

Interesting discussion regarding the definition of base paths also. In theory a base runner, defining his own path to the next base, could streak out into the outfield and not be called out for being out of the base path if it is seen or judged by the umps to be his path to the next base. And that would include advancing towards the next base or retreating back to the base behind him as well.

Picture a runner on third, bottom of final inning, two outs, and the batter hits a blooper behind shortstop. The runner at third holds and the batter is safe at first, but he takes a long sweeping run into shallow right field on his way towards second base...following his path to second base. Imagine the confusion this would cause for the defense. The runner on third could very well score before the defense figured out what was going on with the runner in his base path out in right field.

Has any one ever seen a play as what I have outlined above?

Never seen it Woody, and I hope I never do. I'd also hope to not see more of the type of play that occurred in the Phillies-Giants game.

Here's the rule that was evidently interpreted rather loosely by the umps in tonights game. The runner obviously deviated radically from a straight path towards the base to initiate contact with the fielder.

7.08
Any runner is out when --
(a) (1) He runs more than three feet away from his baseline to avoid being tagged unless his action is to avoid interference with a fielder fielding a batted ball. A runner’s baseline is established when the tag attempt occurs and is a straight line from the runner to the base he is attempting to reach safely; or (2) after touching first base, he leaves the baseline, obviously abandoning his effort to touch the next base;

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Why on earth did ESPN have to break down the whole Barry Bonds HR chase to make it a black vs, white issue. I dont want Bonds to break the record because Aaron is a classy guy and he will always be my champion. What point was ESPN trying to make??

RZ1: Did you expect anything else from the press? Many of our racial problems result from issues that are blown out of proportion by the press.

You are so right

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
In theory a base runner, defining his own path to the next base, could streak out into the outfield and not be called out for being out of the base path if it is seen or judged by the umps to be his path to the next base. And that would include advancing towards the next base or retreating back to the base behind him as well.

Picture a runner on third, bottom of final inning, two outs, and the batter hits a blooper behind shortstop. The runner at third holds and the batter is safe at first, but he takes a long sweeping run into shallow right field on his way towards second base...following his path to second base. Imagine the confusion this would cause for the defense. The runner on third could very well score before the defense figured out what was going on with the runner in his base path out in right field.

Has any one ever seen a play as what I have outlined above?

I guess the umps could call the runner out for making a travesty of the game.

All I gotta say is Michael Bourn has some wheels. Amazing stuff, and a good game. Why didn't Barry play in the primetime game? Is he not a better option than whoever replaces him? I know Fransden had a solid game, but sit Feliz maybe? Barry is still good enough he should be in the lineup more I guess.

Bonds played in 7 straight before tonight.

Bottom of final inning, man on third, two out---runner on third should be off at the crack of the bat not holding

I imagine the powers that be at ESPN were extremely upset when Barry was not in the lineup. It made their polling data seem a little desperate and stick them with a rather meaningless and dull Mid-May game. Bonds, felt it necessary to stick it to the one entity that seems to care about his chase for the record. Why not take off today? Would one more game in a row made that much of a difference? Ownership of the Giants should have been involved.

As for the black and white poll, I found it interesting, unnecessary and typical ESPN. RZ1 hit the nail on the head with his comments.

You're right TR...the runner at third returns to third base knowing he couldn't advance.

Have you seen any player pushing the envelope, so to speak, in regards to defining his base path and being successful? Last night's play involving the interference is the most extreme example that I have seen. There must be others.

got wood

With two out and being on third why does he return to third?--with two out he is free to leave at the crack of the bat


Answer me this---why cannot the runner at third advance with two out?

The runner can advance. In my example he chose to return to third base because he decided he couldn't make it home safely.

With that said, let's skip that example...it's not relevant to what I was seeking.

My interest is in hearing about situations where a player has created or defined his base path in a radical or over exaggerated way...and was successful in the eyes and judgment of the umpire.

Last night's play was unusual, but I'm guessing that our members know of, and can give an account of, even more unusual plays than that one.

Victorino's path to 2nd base.

It reminded me of this...



BTW spizzle...great photo!

Woody,
Shane was probably hungry too after all those twists and turns.

I enjoyed watching him on second base explaining it to the shortstop. There was no convincing him!