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Dwight Gooden threw a lot of pitches at a very young age.
At Baseball Analysts, Rich Lederer has been having a discussion about Dwight Gooden's unrealized great career. The question, spurred by Bert Blyleven's comments about Gooden's drug use, is whether pitching too many innings was also a factor in his decline. Even sportswriter Bob Klapisch gave an opinion, claiming that Gooden's decline was totally due to drug abuse.

There's no doubt that Gooden ruined his career (and, more importantly, his life) by taking drugs. But there's also very little doubt that he was overused at the tender ages of 18, 19 and 20. In that first year, 1983, he had an incredible record for Single A Lynchburg, striking out 300 and walking 112 in 191 innings. I applied Tangotiger's pitch count estimator to those numbers and found that Gooden threw an estimated 3,356 pitches at Lynchburg. So far this year, only three major league pitchers have thrown more often. As I said, he was 18 at the time.

Mets' manager Davey Johnson saw Gooden pitch in the minors, and he convinced General Manager Frank Cashen that Gooden was ready for the major leagues in 1984. Johnson was right, as Gooden went on to compile a 2.60 ERA with 276 strikeouts in 218 innings. He threw approximately 3,475 pitches, including 15 games in which he probably threw over 120 pitches. I estimate that he threw 142 pitches on September 1 and 140 on July 27. He was 19.

Next was 1985, the year Gooden dominated hitters as few pitchers ever have, with a 1.53 ERA and 268 strikeouts in 276 innings. That’s a lot of innings; in fact, only two major league pitchers have reached that mark since (Charlie Hough and Roger Clemens in 1987). Did I mention that he was 20 years old at the time? I estimate he threw 4,068 pitches that year, including 153 on October 2 after throwing 140 in his previous start. There were five games in which he threw at least 140 pitches.

For a bit more perspective, I applied Baseball Prospectus's Pitcher Abuse Points (PAP) to Gooden's pitch count. BPro's research indicates that every pitch thrown in excess of 100 pitches in a start has a wearing effect on a pitcher's arm. In fact, it is exactly research like this that has led to a new understanding of how to handle young pitchers.

According to PAP, Gooden racked up 437,598 PAP in 1984 when he was 19. This year, only strong-armed Livan Hernandez has surpassed that score. Carlos Zambrano is second at 160,000 (a total for which the Cubs' manager has been criticized by some Cubs' fans). In 1985, Gooden reached over 820,000 Pitcher Abuse Points. Baseball Prospectus doesn't have PAP stats for all years listed, but it appears as though that figure has been exceeded only once in the last 10 years, by the aforementioned Hernandez.

I glanced through Davey Johnson's great book covering the 1985 season, Bats: The Man Behind the Miracle, and found several references to Gooden's workload. Johnson was aware of Gooden's workload; in fact, Cashen urged him to do something about it. Johnson didn't.

Of course, I would prefer Doc only throw 250, 260 innings. But you have to take into account that Dwight doesn't throw as many pitches in a game as most power pitchers. He's unusual. Nolan Ryan will throw 150 pitches in a ballgame. Dwight seldom gets over 140. Most of the time it'll be between 100 and 130. So the strain is less.

We certainly have a different attitude about pitch counts today, don't we? Nolan Ryan was truly unique in his ability to handle a large number of innings. But it's also worth noting that he was rested more often early in his career, and he didn't reach Gooden's level of Innings Pitched until the age of 25.
I'm not saying that drugs didn't ruin Gooden's career. Of course they did. But if we don't also remember that Gooden was tremendously overworked at a very young age, we'll have forgotten an important lesson.


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TPM: Thanks for the research and analysis. I agree with you that the drug issue may have only clouded the issue with Gooden but his decline will most always be attributed to his drug use. He has a very unfortunate legacy.

Your post should serve well as a warning to players and parents that pitch abuse is every bit as much danger to performance as drug abuse.

Obviously drug abuse within our society is much more widespread than pitch abuse. Within our baseball community we should pay close attention to both abuses. Drug abuse will get the screaming headlines,especially if that abuse involves a super star like Gooden, and attention will be focused on the problem.

Within our community we are the stewards for our players and must be vigilant. There will be no screaming headlines for our kids so the effort falls on us.

Your post helps very much in keeping us on our toes. Thanks again.
Gooden's pitch count abuse could have been mitigated, and the pitch count abuse reduced by throwing less FB's at such a high velocity.

Historically strike out pitchers throw many more pitches then finesse pitchers.

Just because you can throw the ball above 90+ doesn't mean you have to. The key to effective and efficient pitching is to get people out by using the FB to set up getting batters out using the changeup.

You don't need a 100mph FB to do that. I can see where high speed FB pitchers like Robb Nenn, and others like him can only go two to three innings because the exertion necessary to throw that hard reduces their stamina considerably with every pitch.

It is a mindset that I think reduces the longevity of most pitchers. Then compound that with substance abuse and it is a deadly combination to effectively destroy the career of most any ballplayer.

I watch the MLB everyday and the pitchers at the MLB level throw over 90+ mph and still give HR after HR as they supply the power for the batter.

And yet if you watch someone like Clemins or Johnson you see that most of the time they get the batters out using their off speed stuff. Clemins with his splitter and Johnson with the slider.

Noah Lowry of the SF Giants was the pitcher of month recently and he has a 89 to 90 mph FB with a devastating Changeup and yes he doees throw a CB once in a while. I would predict that he will pitch many years without arm trouble because of less wear-n-tear on his arm and body.

Dwight Gooden (drugs) suffered from the same problem as Mickey Mantle (alchoholism) in that they could never come to terms with their fame and celebrity status. Most of the time they just didn't feel worthy of all the acclaim.

Could there be something like being to humble a person to feel that you are deserving of anything. Yes, it happens a lot and can be devatating to a person's ability to deal with exceptional God-give talents...a bane, instead of a blessing...that was Gooden and Mantle's personality history.
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Ramrod: You keep posting and I keep agreeing. Your thoughts on pitchers throwing 'effective' pitches is right on the mark. Why is it that some pitchers in the major leagues don't understand this? More confusing is how did they get to the MLB if they aren't utilizing there skills effectively?

Perhaps one of your future posts I'll disagree with but so far we agree. Keep posting!
This is a very interesting idea. People like to blame Gooden for his self destructive use of drugs. I have often wondered what I might have done to myself with over abuse of so many things if I found myself the toast of NY at age 19. People handing me the keys to the big city, handing me huge wads of cash and painting a 100 ft high picture of me on the sides of buildings.

I would probably have been found dead in the gutter.... Fortunately for me... Non of those horrors happened Smile
RR,
If you go to the bottom of the post, there's a link. Good article, though written a while back about pitching styles, Maddox vs. Martinez.

The links did not come up on the post, I was trying to focus in on pitchers abuse, early on n the players career.

Also, a thank you to Chill, for passing the article to me.
A buddy's son (LHP) was at a local D1 school on a visit. When the talk got around to pitchign and pitch counts, etc, coach [formerly a top scout for a MLB team] said that his rule for pitchers is to not exceed a number of innings pitched IN A YEAR [school summer, fall, etc], as computed as follows:

AGE [in years] X 10 X .67

using Gooden at 18, he should not have exceeded 120 IP for the year [versus the 191 "official" innings - doesn't include spring training, etc.

Anybody ever hear of this "rule"??
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I think it all depends on what type of person you are, you know? I played in the minors for a few years, but that didn't lead me to cheat on my girlfriend, take drugs, or even drink (which I still don't do!). Each individual makes their own choices...and while the minors is NOTHING like being the MAN in NYC, it still is a choice.

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