Pitch Counts Appear Down with BBCOR Play

Thoughts.

Sanity has been returned to college baseball.

LSU is in deep do do...

I was wondering, if this stat holds up, will it effect the current position of about 1/3 roster pitchers.....or will it put even more emphasis on hitters?

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Originally posted by Harv:
A sample of 10 NAIA Games box scores yielded pitch counts for 9 inning substantially less than previous years. While one game required 115 from the winning team most were in the low 60's with game times well under two hours.

Thoughts?

Good info!

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Originally posted by Harv:
A sample of 10 NAIA Games box scores yielded pitch counts for 9 inning substantially less than previous years. While one game required 115 from the winning team most were in the low 60's with game times well under two hours.

Thoughts?

OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!

Low 60's for a 9 inning game? 7 pitches per inning? I don't buy that.

It is a little too early to make any concerete assessments about how the new bat rule is affecting pitch counts. However if it turns out that it lowers overall pitch counts, it sounds like another benefit.

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Originally posted by BOF:
Thoughts.

Sanity has been returned to college baseball.

LSU is in deep do do...

"LSU home runs slipped from 36 in fall practices of 2009 to six in 2010. Tigers head coach Paul Mainieri pans the BBCOR restrictions."

Scratching my head wondering why he doesn't like the new rule...

http://www.postandcourier.com/...s-fewer-college-hrs/

I'll bet that this is simply transitional. A lot of players are still playing the game like they had the older bats.

Once it finally hits home that the cheap hits that players used to get in the past aren't going to happen college players will start taking more pitches and running the count deeper.

I also see it as a wake up call for the defense. More balls staying in the park plus more "less well" hit balls mean more opportunities to make plays (and mistakes). Time to hone the skills.

Also, as someone alluded to in a similar recent thread, should we perhaps not be trying to extrapolate early-season games - in potentially cold weather (compared to 2 months from now) - over a full season and comparing that to past full seasons? I think the comment was about HRs being adversely affected by cold weather and that once things warm up, the numbers being seen now might go up.

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Thoughts?

Hope you not surprised by this revelation.

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Originally posted by BOF:
Thoughts.

Sanity has been returned to college baseball.

LSU is in deep do do...

Since you bring that up, I have a perplexing question.

Is that the correct spelling of do do within its context?

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Are you saying that most of the winning teams had around 60 pitches? That's fewer than 7 pitches per inning. Doesn't sound right.

I agree Rob, 60 pitches sounds way too low. I never saw that few pitches with wood bats in the summers. Altough they were high school players.

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Originally posted by fillsfan:
I agree Rob, 60 pitches sounds way too low. I never saw that few pitches with wood bats in the summers. Altough they were high school players.

60 sounds like a pretty good number.
For 4-5 innings. How many times do we see MLB pitchers hit the 100 count before the 6th or 7th?
Home runs will be down but pitch counts will still average over 100 for 9 innings.

60 pitches sounds just right this is the beginning of the season.

Speaking of beginning of the season, pitchers always has the advantage until the hitters find their rythm.

From my understanding, if the hitting coach has not helped the player to make some changes, you are in deep do do.

The programs with the better skilled hitters will still dominate, if so, has anything really changed?

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Originally posted by Harv:
A sample of 10 NAIA Games box scores yielded pitch counts for 9 inning substantially less than previous years. While one game required 115 from the winning team most were in the low 60's with game times well under two hours.

Thoughts?

They were playing an average of 1.2 outs per inning?

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60 pitches sounds just right this is the beginning of the season.

No, this can't possibly be a common pitch count for a nine inning game this year, even with the BBCOR bats.

It says here that 58 is the lowest pitch count ever in an MLB game, more than 65 years ago.

I'm guessing that's avg. pitch count per pitcher, not per game.

Maybe so, CPLZ, but it wouldn't make much sense to argue that the new BBCOR bats are lowering the average early season pitch counts that pitchers are allowed to throw.

agreed

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Originally posted by Rob Kremer:
Maybe so, CPLZ, but it wouldn't make much sense to argue that the new BBCOR bats are lowering the average early season pitch counts that pitchers are allowed to throw.

What I meant was that 60 would be normal for the starting pitcher, there is no way pitch counts would be down with the new bats. The only thing down would be HR.

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What I meant was that 60 would be normal for the starting pitcher, there is no way pitch counts would be down with the new bats. The only thing down would be HR.

Ground ball outs should rise, potentially leading to reduced pitch counts overall.

So are pitch counts down or was this just a rush to judgement?

Scores certainly aren't down, that's for sure, lots and lots of double digit scores.

We saw lots of hits , a few home runs,and our opening week-end games still went about 2-3 hours. What I did notice is the ball died many times,just not going as far. But I think the players that were good jitters before will continue to do well. I do think warmer temps will make the bats perform better.

Seems to me, with double digit scores, that they are performing better!

60 pitches per 9 innings? Pitchers must be throwing a very high percentage of strikes and no walks. I don't believe it.

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Originally posted by Proud Dad 24:
60 pitches per 9 innings? Pitchers must be throwing a very high percentage of strikes and no walks. I don't believe it.

It was just all a small misunderstanding, no BIGGIE.

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Originally posted by TPM:
Seems to me, with double digit scores, that they are performing better!

I went onto D1 baseball dot com and compared today's scores to last years at the same time..

..50 teams this year scored in double-digits. Last year? 94.

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Originally posted by Bum:

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Originally posted by TPM:
Seems to me, with double digit scores, that they are performing better!

I went onto D1 baseball dot com and compared today's scores to last years at the same time..

..50 teams this year scored in double-digits. Last year? 94.

Bum, thank you so much for taking the time to do that, I really thought that with all the talk about the new bats that it would be lower.

Hope all is well with Bum jr.

Pitch counts.

i was watching mlb network and they had an interview with Willie Mays. they asked him what is the most memorable game he played in. Not an all satar game or a world series game but a regular season game where he hit a game winning home run in the bottom of the 16th inning to win 1-0.
Warren Spahn age 42 pitched all 16 as did Juan Marichel . Pitch counts?

Through the first 5 games of D1, this guy has done analysis that shows scoring down 17-18%. Good stats!

http://sebaseball.rivals.com/c...&CID=775249#20110224

In an interview, HC from UF had some interesting things to say about new bats, one being he felt that they (which should not be compared to wood because they are not wood) have definetly helped with the swing (not over swinging).

I don't know lots about hitting but I will take his opinion as a viable one.

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Originally posted by TPM:

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Originally posted by Bum:

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Originally posted by TPM:
Seems to me, with double digit scores, that they are performing better!

I went onto D1 baseball dot com and compared today's scores to last years at the same time..

..50 teams this year scored in double-digits. Last year? 94.

Bum, thank you so much for taking the time to do that, I really thought that with all the talk about the new bats that it would be lower.

Hope all is well with Bum jr.

I think a nearly 47% decline is pretty significant.

I wonder how far home runs are down. My guess is a little over 50%.

My son's team, through 8 games: total of one HR by either team.

Rob, you have a pm.

I have also noticed the "check swing" doubles and triples are down as well.