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Saw this tonight in a 16U game -- never seen it before.

- Close tag play at the plate
- Ball was there first but runner legally avoided the tag.
- Catcher & defensive team very upset. They thought he was out.

THEN ....while their coach is disputing the call, the pitcher and catcher confer.
- Catcher then sets up
- Pitcher begins to pitch
- Catcher lunges far to the right in a lame attempt to make it look like a call for a pitchout
- Pitcher throws high heat that hit the PU in the shoulder.

It was an obvious, planned attempt to physically retaliate against the PU for the call they disagreed with. Not only was it totally inappropriate, but it was potentially dangerous and very disturbing to say the least.

- Ump then calls time and talks to coach of defensive team.
- Then talks to both coaches
- Things seemed to get calmed down a bit.

NOW ...
- Runner on 2nd attempts to steal 3rd
- He's out -- absolutely without question.
- FU, probably in an attempt to stick up for his partner, calls him safe.

Now the defensive team is REALLY hot.

Ump calls game over.

I'm just interested in the reaction of some of our veteran umps. Has this ever happened to you? What would you have done? And how about the call by the FU.

Thanks to all the men in blue -- you're often underappreciated!
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I have heard of this kind of thing but never seen it. The coach and his players should be held HIGHLY accountable - suspend for season or whatever.

What on earth are we teaching these kids? Is this cool, tough, funny....If the guys in blue dont handle this I think you should at least contact the coach.

It doesnt matter if the guys made some bad calls = as far as the field ump, how can you tell he made a bad call on purpose?
The PU should have dumped the catcher and pitcher if he felt it was a purpose play. The BU has no business making a call that he knows is wrong just to try to prove a point, if that is what he did. He may have been just out of his game at that point because he was still thinking about what had happened at the plate.
The PU should have handled the situation at the point it happened. If he didn't then he was wrong. He may have thouhgt he was cooling things off but not tossing and it had the opposite effect. Never ever try to blow a call to punish a team. That is just as wrong as what the players did nad teaches the exact wrong lesson.
Since the HP umpire was involved with the coach during the time the catcher and pitcher were conferring, its quite possible that the umpire may not have had the same feeling that the crossup was intentional...

And that is the problem, determining if it was intentional.......If I have a clue that it is intentional, then like MST I am dumping both the pitcher and the catcher and most likely the head coach after he comes out to complain about me dumping his battery for an innocent crossup.....

Now to how does an umpire determine intent??.......well of course you have to have situational awareness........which this umpire should have had....he has just had a situation with these players and the coach....actions immediately after such an incident need to be looked at closely.........then the players themselves........how did they react to the crossup??...eventually its up to the Umpire to determine and make the call....

I once dumped a first baseman for malicious contact..A batter drew a walk....I was moving from position A to position B when I heard F3 tell F4 to "watch this".....Runner now on first, no threat to steal.....pitcher throws over, runner dives into the base easy....F1 really late slaps down the glove hard into the runners face.........no problem figuring that out........"Time!!".......you are gone.....

As to the BU in the original post, he had no business making a call like that.......Nothing is gained by calling a make up call.....its even more wrong.....you want to support me, call it square.......
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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Never ever try to blow a call to punish a team. That is just as wrong as what the players did nad teaches the exact wrong lesson.

Totally agree, the umps are there to make the best call they can in judgment not to punish and reward teams, players, coaches. If he can't face this fact he should not be an umpire.

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