Can anyone direct me to a source of some pitching clips?
Thanks much. I hope everyone is well.
Mark
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Hey Mark,
Good to see ya back here my friend. Here is an excellent site that I highly recommend that has some great pitching clips as well as instruction and superb instructors including many respected baseball professionals
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Click this if you're serious
Good to see ya back here my friend. Here is an excellent site that I highly recommend that has some great pitching clips as well as instruction and superb instructors including many respected baseball professionals
peaceClick this if you're serious
thanks for the link Shep. great stuff and very helpful.
Mark
Mark
Not the greatest information on that site.
An article at the bottom of the page describes “drop and drive” pitching mechanics, and says how bad “drop and drive” is and how nobody should pitch that way. A couple articles above that one talks about Joel Zumaya and how fast he throws, and Zumaya is basically using the mechanics that the previous article decried.
Use at your own risk.
An article at the bottom of the page describes “drop and drive” pitching mechanics, and says how bad “drop and drive” is and how nobody should pitch that way. A couple articles above that one talks about Joel Zumaya and how fast he throws, and Zumaya is basically using the mechanics that the previous article decried.
Use at your own risk.
Just another revplutionary gimmick to get parents to part with their money.
Try the forums.
Take a look at this!quote:Originally posted by RobV:
Not the greatest information on that site.
An article at the bottom of the page describes “drop and drive” pitching mechanics, and says how bad “drop and drive” is and how nobody should pitch that way. A couple articles above that one talks about Joel Zumaya and how fast he throws, and Zumaya is basically using the mechanics that the previous article decried.
Use at your own risk.
I've got to disagree here. What's your definition of "drop and drive" and why are you a proponent of it? For me, "drop and drive" happens when a pitcher collapses on his back, posting leg as he drops his "lift leg" from the high-knee balance position and strides toward the plate. So few big league pitchers use it -- and Zumaya's not one, btw -- that I don't know how the advice could have been misconstrued. Tom Seaver is perhaps one of the few successful "drop and drive" guys I know of. But there's an exception to every pitching scenario. He's one. Generally, pro organizations/coaches don't allow their pitching prospects to "drop and drive" -- and it's something we worked on to correct throughout the season, particularly in Spring Training.
Drop & drive is an acceptable pitching style. I like tall & fall because it suits my sons makeup but there is nothing wrong with DD.
Most pitching guys describe both and consider DD as an acceptable style.
MR Ellis I know you send pitching tips and promote your business by telling everyone it is a revolutionary approach. Their is no magic in throwing hard. I guess you have to try and separate yourself from the multitudes of pitching instruction companues.
Most pitching guys describe both and consider DD as an acceptable style.
MR Ellis I know you send pitching tips and promote your business by telling everyone it is a revolutionary approach. Their is no magic in throwing hard. I guess you have to try and separate yourself from the multitudes of pitching instruction companues.
hey shep thanks for the mechanics link. got a few pages of notes of it.
I prefer not even using terms like "drop and drive" or "tall and fall". 
If you need a simple definition of what I would call drop and drive, it would be to collapse the leg as you are moving forward. Driving the hips and body as you are rotating into footplant.
People define what they see all kinds of different things, that's why I feel it's always a mistake to pigeon hole the throwing process with these terms.
But if you look at Zumaya, he is clearly doing what I describe. Seavers mechanics are similar to Nolan Ryans. I think all hard throwing "pitchers" look generally the same at certain points in their delivery.
It's all about loading your body, generating momentum, and transfering that momentum into your throwing arm, in an explosive manner.
Like a whip.
I could really care less about what the "organizations" will let their prospects do. Most time if a guy throws hard, and can throw strikes they leave it alone. Doesn't matter what "style" they have.
So if you want to tell the masses that "drop and drive" is bad, and "tall and fall" is the only way to throw, or only throw "drop and drive" and scrap "tall and fall"...go ahead....
How 'bout "tall and drive"(TM)
Like I said....buyer beware
If you need a simple definition of what I would call drop and drive, it would be to collapse the leg as you are moving forward. Driving the hips and body as you are rotating into footplant.
People define what they see all kinds of different things, that's why I feel it's always a mistake to pigeon hole the throwing process with these terms.
But if you look at Zumaya, he is clearly doing what I describe. Seavers mechanics are similar to Nolan Ryans. I think all hard throwing "pitchers" look generally the same at certain points in their delivery.
It's all about loading your body, generating momentum, and transfering that momentum into your throwing arm, in an explosive manner.
Like a whip.
I could really care less about what the "organizations" will let their prospects do. Most time if a guy throws hard, and can throw strikes they leave it alone. Doesn't matter what "style" they have.
So if you want to tell the masses that "drop and drive" is bad, and "tall and fall" is the only way to throw, or only throw "drop and drive" and scrap "tall and fall"...go ahead....
How 'bout "tall and drive"(TM)
Like I said....buyer beware
To me Drop has always meant your back leg collapses early instead of staying tall and keeping your weight back. Your back leg collapses you drop down and grive to the target. Even in tall and fall there is some leg collapse but your body stays tall until you get out front in your delivery.
Speaking of successful "drop and drive" pitchers, I have always considered both Roger Clemens and Bartolo Colon to be "drop and drivers". Would they not fit the definition you guys use?
My thought has always been that baseball uses a mound for a reason and that in general (obviously there are exceptions) staying tall and using the mound to your advantage is the proper way to pitch, even if guys feel they don't get quite the same velocity without dropping and driving.
I would think this is especially true for guys who throw predominantly four-seam fastballs because the only downward action they get on the pitch is a result of releasing the ball several feet above the strike zone. It seems to me that if guys who throw four seamers start to collapse the drive leg, then they are giving up part of their inherent advantage over pitchers (the raised mound) by flattening out their fastballs for the sake of a little more velocity.
That's just my opinion, and I'm new to HSBBW, so feel free to rip me apart
My thought has always been that baseball uses a mound for a reason and that in general (obviously there are exceptions) staying tall and using the mound to your advantage is the proper way to pitch, even if guys feel they don't get quite the same velocity without dropping and driving.
I would think this is especially true for guys who throw predominantly four-seam fastballs because the only downward action they get on the pitch is a result of releasing the ball several feet above the strike zone. It seems to me that if guys who throw four seamers start to collapse the drive leg, then they are giving up part of their inherent advantage over pitchers (the raised mound) by flattening out their fastballs for the sake of a little more velocity.
That's just my opinion, and I'm new to HSBBW, so feel free to rip me apart
