He's a clown as Coach May put it.
The beginning of the end for this coach.
00's dad let me give you this example. I'm an asst. on a staff that is coaching one of the best seniors in the entire country. Please make sure you read that - I'm coaching on a staff that has one of the best seniors in the country. He gets no special treatment from us. Whatever the rule is that we have he follows it. Now he's like any other kid who will question why and we explain why we have the rule. But if he keeps it up he knows he will get put back in his place quickly.
We don't have a haircut policy but if we did he would get a haircut. One of the main reasons he would get a haircut is because his dad would make him.
The issue here is the haircut policy but it doesn't matter what the rule is - you stick with it.
We don't have a haircut policy but if we did he would get a haircut. One of the main reasons he would get a haircut is because his dad would make him.
The issue here is the haircut policy but it doesn't matter what the rule is - you stick with it.
How good a player is has absolutely nothing to do with it. If it does the coach is a clown. The rules are for everyone because they are the programs rules. I have coached kids who are in the Majors right now. I have coached kids who are playing and have played major college baseball. I never gave one thought to how good they were or how bad they were when I enforced a rule. When a coach starts bending the rules because a player he see's as important to the teams success will not abide by it then he has lost the ability to lead a program. He has lost all respect of his players. He has lost the ability to enforce the rules in the future if they are questioned by another player. In other words this coach sold out if this story is true.
Your son learned a lesson here. If he sticks to his guns and the coach is a clown he will win out in the end. On the other hand if he ever plays for a legit coach he will be on the outside looking in. At least he will be able to say he stuck to his guns. Good luck
Your son learned a lesson here. If he sticks to his guns and the coach is a clown he will win out in the end. On the other hand if he ever plays for a legit coach he will be on the outside looking in. At least he will be able to say he stuck to his guns. Good luck
oo's dad,
You seem to commend your son for sticking to his guns, and the coach for caving from his. The rule would potentially help your son get looks from schools that will not look at him now. Yes, you won. The coach could not stand for his own values, your son learned that if he is stubborn and doesn't appreciate rules he can have his way. I am not sure that is the message I want my son to receive. What happens when he doesn't like the posted speed limit. He sent a message to his team-mates that his hair meant more than his team. That would be his choice, but not one my players would make if they plan on being on my team. You learned that the coach cares for your son, but just doesn't care enough to help him learn about what matters most in life. In order to succeed in life you have to make some sacrifices, this could have been a great lesson your son could have learned for the rest of his life. Teams are much larger than the individual parts. Your son does not play on a true team and will not find the true meaning and joy of being a part of one. I hope some day he gets to experience what it is like to place your teammates first and succeed as a group.
You seem to commend your son for sticking to his guns, and the coach for caving from his. The rule would potentially help your son get looks from schools that will not look at him now. Yes, you won. The coach could not stand for his own values, your son learned that if he is stubborn and doesn't appreciate rules he can have his way. I am not sure that is the message I want my son to receive. What happens when he doesn't like the posted speed limit. He sent a message to his team-mates that his hair meant more than his team. That would be his choice, but not one my players would make if they plan on being on my team. You learned that the coach cares for your son, but just doesn't care enough to help him learn about what matters most in life. In order to succeed in life you have to make some sacrifices, this could have been a great lesson your son could have learned for the rest of his life. Teams are much larger than the individual parts. Your son does not play on a true team and will not find the true meaning and joy of being a part of one. I hope some day he gets to experience what it is like to place your teammates first and succeed as a group.
00's Dad,
I know you're proud of your boy for "sticking to his guns," but there might come a day when throwing away a high school season no longer seems like the crowning achievement of his youth.
Do your son a favor and don't post his information on the "Please identify your son" thread. Give him a chance to live this down once he learns to think about others.
I know you're proud of your boy for "sticking to his guns," but there might come a day when throwing away a high school season no longer seems like the crowning achievement of his youth.
Do your son a favor and don't post his information on the "Please identify your son" thread. Give him a chance to live this down once he learns to think about others.
Great thread taking a simple principle (discipline and team) and twisting it until it is no longer recognizable. It is not about the boy, he is young and stubborn as most of us were at that age. The boy doesn't know squat. In my mind, this is about the coach. At 55 years old he should know better. He is not teaching his players, parents & program anything positive in this sitiuation. He is a clown as Coach May described. Neville Chamberlain would be proud.
Life lessons are learned everyday. Some are learned early and some learned later in life. This lesson is going to have be learned later for both the boy and the coach.
Life lessons are learned everyday. Some are learned early and some learned later in life. This lesson is going to have be learned later for both the boy and the coach.
And apparently by the proud father as well.
I wonder if the Board member friends got involved?
Coach caved.
My son showed up at tryouts last year with longer hair. Coach told him that if he made the team, he'd have to cut his hair. Made the team, cut his hair. Now keeps it short year round and likes it much better.
Coach caved.
My son showed up at tryouts last year with longer hair. Coach told him that if he made the team, he'd have to cut his hair. Made the team, cut his hair. Now keeps it short year round and likes it much better.
Am I the only one calling "BS" on his son playing this year while not cutting his hair in over a year's time? I think the only part that is true is that his son didnt play hs ball last year. Daddy read all the posts that went against him and waited to come back when the season started and tell everyone they were wrong and that his son was opening day starter. I guess we will never really know the truth, but I still think the boy is not playing.
Congrats, big guy, you really showed us who is boss.
Congrats, big guy, you really showed us who is boss.
quote:Originally posted by Mizzoubaseball:
Am I the only one calling "BS" on his son playing this year while not cutting his hair in over a year's time? I think the only part that is true is that his son didnt play hs ball last year. Daddy read all the posts that went against him and waited to come back when the season started and tell everyone they were wrong and that his son was opening day starter. I guess we will never really know the truth, but I still think the boy is not playing.
Congrats, big guy, you really showed us who is boss.
You are probably right.
quote:Originally posted by Strike 3:
I wonder if the Board member friends got involved?
Coach caved.
I wondered if this happened too. If this happened to me they would have to find a new baseball coach.
I bet Jason Werth could have got a lot more than $128 million from the Nationals if he got a haircut and a shave.
It still amazes me that the dad see's this as a positive. Through this whole thing, I've wondered if he's not just a troll trying to rile feathers to get a reaction...anyone with any competitive sense of team would KNOW this goes against the moral fiber of anything related to what it takes to be successful.
I've also wondered, if all true, what the other teammates think...got to create a lot of great team chemistry...especially for others that did cut their hair.
I've also wondered, if all true, what the other teammates think...got to create a lot of great team chemistry...especially for others that did cut their hair.
My humble observations (with the huge reservation that (a) this whole story is B.S. or (2) that the son is now playing is B.S.:
1. I wish someone would've kicked my butt when I did stuff like this at 16 years old. BE A DAD. Oh, and Dad, if you are not conforming at work, you're not working. How's your "stand" going in life?
2. If, in fact, the Coach caved (see my introduction), then the Coach wanted "it" more than the kid. Maybe the Coach loves his job, wants to win, blah, blah, blah. If so, the COACH IS A CLOWN. PERIOD.
1. I wish someone would've kicked my butt when I did stuff like this at 16 years old. BE A DAD. Oh, and Dad, if you are not conforming at work, you're not working. How's your "stand" going in life?
2. If, in fact, the Coach caved (see my introduction), then the Coach wanted "it" more than the kid. Maybe the Coach loves his job, wants to win, blah, blah, blah. If so, the COACH IS A CLOWN. PERIOD.
quote:Originally posted by AntzDad:
I bet Jason Werth could have got a lot more than $128 million from the Nationals if he got a haircut and a shave.
My guess, and it's just a wild guess here, is that the Nationals don't have a rule that Werth would be violating. Just a guess.
I'm also assuming that the Nationals are not a high school team. Again, that's merely an assumption on my part.
Other than these considerations, I'm sure there is a direct comparison.
quote:Originally posted by 00'sDAD:
He's 55 and has coached for years.
Heck, Emmett Kelly performed into his 70's.
Read the entire thread and it raises a ton of interesting questions in my mind:
What is a coach's main objective? Does it change as you go up levels?
Is it to win? At all costs?
Is it to develop players for the next level?
Is it to have a respectable program with respectable community citizens and direct their development as a person?
Is it to teach players life lessons?
This whole thread (viewed from the coaching side) has to do with conflict between these objectives as a coach that was brought on by the player's defiance.
After everything is said and done, will the team win more because the coach gave in?
Assuming yes for the sake of the thought, does that make giving in ok?
Assuming yes, can we blame a coach who's livelihood depends on winning for giving in so he can put food on the table for his family (or have better job security)?
Does a player have any responsibility to his teammates to "fall in line" to get himself into the lineup so he can help the team?
Does a coach have responsibility to his team (and fans, AD, alumni)to play the best nine, no matter what?
Is there a difference between "the best nine individuals" and the best nine that make a TEAM?
Did the coach hurt his own chances of winning by creating a rule that would exclude one of those best nine that would otherwise help the team on the field?
Was the player assuming the fact that the coach would play the players that would give the team the best chance of winning?
Is that a bad assumption?
If it is a bad assumption, what does that say about the coach? He's principled? He's uncompetitive?
If not, then there is probably a difference between how valuable the player thinks he is and how valuable the coach thinks he is.
What is a coach's main objective? Does it change as you go up levels?
Is it to win? At all costs?
Is it to develop players for the next level?
Is it to have a respectable program with respectable community citizens and direct their development as a person?
Is it to teach players life lessons?
This whole thread (viewed from the coaching side) has to do with conflict between these objectives as a coach that was brought on by the player's defiance.
After everything is said and done, will the team win more because the coach gave in?
Assuming yes for the sake of the thought, does that make giving in ok?
Assuming yes, can we blame a coach who's livelihood depends on winning for giving in so he can put food on the table for his family (or have better job security)?
Does a player have any responsibility to his teammates to "fall in line" to get himself into the lineup so he can help the team?
Does a coach have responsibility to his team (and fans, AD, alumni)to play the best nine, no matter what?
Is there a difference between "the best nine individuals" and the best nine that make a TEAM?
Did the coach hurt his own chances of winning by creating a rule that would exclude one of those best nine that would otherwise help the team on the field?
Was the player assuming the fact that the coach would play the players that would give the team the best chance of winning?
Is that a bad assumption?
If it is a bad assumption, what does that say about the coach? He's principled? He's uncompetitive?
If not, then there is probably a difference between how valuable the player thinks he is and how valuable the coach thinks he is.
If he wants to play, he cuts his hair. If the hair means more, he don't play. What's so hard about that?
Taking the whole thing at face value assuming it's all on the up and up...which is a big leap of blind faith........it's really no surprise the kid fights authority.
The father's motto is "Illegitimus non Carborundum" or as folklore would interpret it, "Don't let the *******s grind you down."
The actual literal latin translation is supposed to be
And rural america is a symphony of unusual persons. Most are very well adapted to living at odds with mainstream society. They are attracted to the rural life because of its requirement to be self reliant. The quality of "sticking to ones guns" is more out of practiced habit than a reflection of what might be best in the long run.
So if this is on the up and up....a big IF....you stand a better chance of hitting the powerball than changing their minds.
The father's motto is "Illegitimus non Carborundum" or as folklore would interpret it, "Don't let the *******s grind you down."
The actual literal latin translation is supposed to be
Even after three years of Latin, I couldn't have figured that one out without cheating. The point is apples usually do not fall far from the tree which is another equally accurate saying from folklore.quote:“Noli sinere malos te vexare”
And rural america is a symphony of unusual persons. Most are very well adapted to living at odds with mainstream society. They are attracted to the rural life because of its requirement to be self reliant. The quality of "sticking to ones guns" is more out of practiced habit than a reflection of what might be best in the long run.
So if this is on the up and up....a big IF....you stand a better chance of hitting the powerball than changing their minds.