One of the keys to long term success is being low maintenance and high production. I'm afraid a teachable moment went bye-bye. Let us know if the team gets to .500 this year. It it Coach Herbie, by any chance???
quote:Originally posted by 00'sDAD:
Took last year at school off played on summer and fall travel teams. No haircut again this year but was chose to start opening day game.
I only read the first page and then realized it was started last year, so presumably you are giving us an update.
If I understand you correctly, you are saying your son chose to keep his hair long and did not try out for the team(or was cut)last year, correct?
Then this year for whatever reason the coach and your son came to an agreement about the length of his hair(i.e. not cutting it) and he is on the team?
Is this the varsity coach or the JV coach we are discussing?
Varsity. He made the team last year also but did not want to cut his hair to play as he felt "The length
of his hair had nothing to do with his baseball ability".
of his hair had nothing to do with his baseball ability".
quote:Originally posted by Jimmy03:quote:Originally posted by AntzDad:
I bet Jason Werth could have got a lot more than $128 million from the Nationals if he got a haircut and a shave.
My guess, and it's just a wild guess here, is that the Nationals don't have a rule that Werth would be violating. Just a guess.
I'm also assuming that the Nationals are not a high school team. Again, that's merely an assumption on my part.
Other than these considerations, I'm sure there is a direct comparison.
Maybe, there's a lesson, here. The team that plays at the highest level in the world says, 'if we think you can help our team, it doesn't matter if you look like something the cat dragged in.' I don't know. I'm only guessing.
I find it interesting that 'the coach who caved in' is ridiculed for changing his mind, while at the same time this player who 'won't get a haircut' is lambasted for NOT changing his mind.
Wow...16 pages of replies....why doesnt the most recent page POP UP...and allow US to go back to the beginning if we need to? Reverse the current system.
Westcoast HS and college teams would not have players or their dad using the word cave as in cave in. What does he do or will do when the team travels off sight and team rules say where trousers - sport coat and tie?
Agree with BOF; Should never come to this! He is playing a team sport not golf or tennis.
Lastly I hope this doesn't offend anyone but a won and loss record of 19-5 with velo speeds of 75-80 has really very little to do with it.
Westcoast HS and college teams would not have players or their dad using the word cave as in cave in. What does he do or will do when the team travels off sight and team rules say where trousers - sport coat and tie?
Agree with BOF; Should never come to this! He is playing a team sport not golf or tennis.
Lastly I hope this doesn't offend anyone but a won and loss record of 19-5 with velo speeds of 75-80 has really very little to do with it.
quote:I find it interesting that 'the coach who caved in' is ridiculed for changing his mind, while at the same time this player who 'won't get a haircut' is lambasted for NOT changing his mind.
I find it interesting you confuse the roles of the coach and player. Coach Herbie is the kid's b**** now. The player and coach sound well-suited for each other.
There are rules against dipping at the games also yet every coach and most umps and half the players do it yet no one ever whines we should throw em all out.
My son is a good kid who stood up for what he thought was his right to self expression and last year the coach refused to budge and so did the boy.
There were hard feelings on both sides with some support from parents toward both.
This year instead of just saying screw you they sat down and found they had more in common than they thought and that neither was as bad as the other thought.
It seems to me the lack of respect is coming mostly from all the name callers on here who can't stand
the fact that these two came to a mutual agreement.
My son is a good kid who stood up for what he thought was his right to self expression and last year the coach refused to budge and so did the boy.
There were hard feelings on both sides with some support from parents toward both.
This year instead of just saying screw you they sat down and found they had more in common than they thought and that neither was as bad as the other thought.
It seems to me the lack of respect is coming mostly from all the name callers on here who can't stand
the fact that these two came to a mutual agreement.
quote:Originally posted by 00'sDAD:
There are rules against dipping at the games also yet every coach and most umps and half the players do it yet no one ever whines we should throw em all out.
My son is a good kid who stood up for what he thought was his right to self expression and last year the coach refused to budge and so did the boy.
There were hard feelings on both sides with some support from parents toward both.
This year instead of just saying screw you they sat down and found they had more in common than they thought and that neither was as bad as the other thought.
It seems to me the lack of respect is coming mostly from all the name callers on here who can't stand
the fact that these two came to a mutual agreement.
What did you honestly expect to read?
the difference is the coach made the rule. then he didn't follow his own rule. someone needed to be the adult. jury's still out on that one. 
quote:Originally posted by AntzDad:quote:Originally posted by Jimmy03:quote:Originally posted by AntzDad:
I bet Jason Werth could have got a lot more than $128 million from the Nationals if he got a haircut and a shave.
My guess, and it's just a wild guess here, is that the Nationals don't have a rule that Werth would be violating. Just a guess.
I'm also assuming that the Nationals are not a high school team. Again, that's merely an assumption on my part.
Other than these considerations, I'm sure there is a direct comparison.
Maybe, there's a lesson, here. The team that plays at the highest level in the world says, 'if we think you can help our team, it doesn't matter if you look like something the cat dragged in.' I don't know. I'm only guessing.
So then, there is a direct comparison. The team of professionals is exactly like the team of 16 year olds learning all the elements of the sport including following rules and discipline and who plays what role.
quote:Originally posted by Dad04:
I find it interesting you confuse the roles of the coach and player. The player and coach sound well-suited for each other.
You should be glad the kid found 'the right fit'.
So is the haircut rule gone, or just for your son?
Gone
quote:Originally posted by AntzDad:quote:Originally posted by Dad04:
I find it interesting you confuse the roles of the coach and player. The player and coach sound well-suited for each other.
You should be glad the kid found 'the right fit'.
The fit is very important. It might not go that well next time tho.
Maybe the coach can issue these so no one feels out of place, and "fit in".
quote:Originally posted by 00'sDAD:
Varsity. He made the team last year also but did not want to cut his hair to play as he felt "The length
of his hair had nothing to do with his baseball ability".
Ok, lets look at this from a little different perspective. Your son apparently decided appearance is irrelevant to his playing ability. While that is true, I think he is missing the bigger picture which is your responsibility to instill in him.
He will face similar choices in life, regarding rules in college, work and even his personal life. I am sure that as a caring father you want to assure him of being successful, happy and a good member of society. Standing up for ones principles is not mutually exclusive to complying with reasonable rules.
If the coach had a rule that didn't make sense, but did not affect him personally, I doubt he would sit out the year on principle. So since this rule affected his appearance, he rebelled against it.
In my opinion you should have stepped in and explained to your 14-16 year old son that having long hair for the girls is not more important than making a small concession of trimming his hair to the longest his coach would find acceptable. You could have used Johnny Damon as a perfect example. When he was with the A's and Red Sox he looked much different than when he went to the Yankees.
He obviously complied with the Yankees rule(which has nothing to do with playing ability), and he is still a productive player to this day. Unlike Samson, his hair had nothing to do with his ability, nor attracting pretty women.
Damon would most likely not have been willing to comply with denouncing his religious beliefs, his country, etc., just to play for the Yankees. Yet he was willing to make a minor personal sacrifice about shaving his beard and trimming his hair. I suspect he was raised to accept a certain level of compliance without compromising his principles, at least the ones that really matter.
The aforementioned is not an attack on you or your son. Rather it is an attempt for you to see this more from a parental point of view, and the responsibility that you and you alone possess. He will be confronted with many challenges in life, and what you instill in him now will help to determine how he handles those challenges, be it well or poorly.
Good luck this year and into the future.
quote:Originally posted by AntzDad:quote:Originally posted by Jimmy03:quote:Originally posted by AntzDad:
I bet Jason Werth could have got a lot more than $128 million from the Nationals if he got a haircut and a shave.
My guess, and it's just a wild guess here, is that the Nationals don't have a rule that Werth would be violating. Just a guess.
I'm also assuming that the Nationals are not a high school team. Again, that's merely an assumption on my part.
Other than these considerations, I'm sure there is a direct comparison.
Maybe, there's a lesson, here. The team that plays at the highest level in the world says, 'if we think you can help our team, it doesn't matter if you look like something the cat dragged in.' I don't know. I'm only guessing.
Maybe it's because it IS the Nationals that they don't care. On the other hand, the team with the most World Series victories has rules related to appearance. Of course, these are adults and not a mullet wearing 16 year old kid.
BTW, I'm having a hard time believing this story anymore. I bet the kid cut his hair last year and played.
Anyone whose hair is more important to him than the team isn't even close to being a team player. The whole thing about him playing this year without getting a haircut is a joke. If the team has no rules about hair length and he wants long hair, (Phillies) then that's fine. I sure wouldn't be bragging on the Baseball Web how my son taught the Coach a lesson by being a brat.
HMMNN. Funny thread.
America.
America's game.
Personal freedoms.
Bureaucratic rule.
Freedom of speech and expression.
Public funding.
Conformity. or not?
Judgements.
Kristallnacht.
America.
America's game.
Personal freedoms.
Bureaucratic rule.
Freedom of speech and expression.
Public funding.
Conformity. or not?
Judgements.
Kristallnacht.
quote:Originally posted by 00'sDAD:
Gone
Honestly, was this a rule that was passed by the coach or was this something that was passed down by your friend (board member) to the coach?
Enjoy these years of HS ball, take lots of pictures, because he'll be done after that.
I still think this guy is full of ****. I dont think he played high school ball last year, and he isnt this year.