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We’ve all seen the talented athlete decided to hang up the cleats for a variety of reasons. To me it seems to happen more often in the 13-15 yrs old range, although we know it can happen at any time. I’ve seen parents shake their heads; unable to do anything, knowing to continue is best for the young man. My son did this when he was nine and again when he was eleven. I was wondering if any parents have experienced this and have any parents been successful in reversing the burnout….or…..maybe the parents should not intervene at all in his decision to hang ‘em up …………… after all, it IS just a game.
Fungo

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My son would shut it down at the end of fall ball sometime around Oct 15th here in nw Ohio and then start throwing the 1st of Dec to get ready for the Christmas camps he would go to. He would do the normal things like go to the movies with his non baseball friends, Thanksgiving with the family. I would recommend it to others to help prevent burnout. The time frame was just long enough to recharge and get all excited about the upcoming season.

Mike
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Fungo,
My youngest son hung up his baseball cleats when he was 12. He first played at age 6 and played with desire until that last season. I never tried to change his mind with the exception of asking him if he was trying out for the high school team. He gave me a look like "Are you crazy", so I dropped mentioning it. Even stranger is the fact that he tried out for his high school football team his freshman year even though he never played football before.This is for a football team that had averaged one win a year for the last 10 years and hadn't had a winning season in over 30 years. I believe four different head football coaches in the last four years. What makes this odd is that he is not very large in stature, he's now a sophomore coming in at 5'6" and 152 lbs. He came home this fall from one of his practices and said one of his football coaches said, "everytime I look at you I can't help but think you would make a great 2nd baseman". That was his primary position when he played baseball.

This past football season was what I believe to be a turning point for the schools football team. They finished 4-6 overall and 3-4 in their region and every team they played knew they were in for a game. The highlight of their season also sent shockwaves across our state, it was when Karns defeated the state's #1 AAA (highest class in the state) ranked team Dobyns-Bennett 25-14. I was out-of-town and missed that game, but from what I understand it changed our community's attitude toward football at the school. If I had tried to change my son's mind about his of his sport of choice, look at what he would have missed out on. He is now part of the history of a great state football upset that will always be a part of him. We as parents must let them go their own way at times.

Oh, one other thing I mentioned to Bob yesterday. My 5'6", 152 lb sophomore LB squats 405 lbs and benches 225 as a 15 year-old, a part of me wonders how he would hit the baseball again!!! biglaugh

"If you make every game a life and death proposition, you're going to have problems. For one thing, you'll be dead a lot."

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You'll get no argument from me about burnout. My son was intrigued by the gains that his buddie made by taking the course, so he decided he'd like to give it a try. The course is administered with six in a class, thereby making it more attractive for younger kids. And, to take it one step further, the school my son attends is going to try and get a program implemented in conjunction with Velocity for boys and girls in grades 7-12. That , in my opinion, will help with making it more fun by doing it with all your friends. Lots of kids are getting no exercise at all these days, and this program lets the individual see some improvement in their overall physical condition. My opinion on the "burnout" is that you better be attuned to the individual child. They will go ,and go , and go to please the parents lots of times without regard to their own wants and desires. You can get caught up in the whirlwind that is youth baseball, and not ever realize that your child needs a break. We just got back from a tournament at Disney World on Jan. 2, and no sooner had we parked the car , I asked my son when he wanted me to call his hitting instructor to get back on a schedule. He stopped dead in his tracks and said, "dad, I think I'm ready for a break". So , I let him do nothing with baseball until he was ready to return. I hope I'm learning as much as he is.
As the coach and father of a 12 yr old, I try to manage the number of games we play, keep the games fun etc. to help prevent burnout. My son knows it's his choice to play or not to play.

At the beginning of last fall he had a pretty astute observation. He said there was a part of him that wanted to take fall '03 off, but he knew the first time he went to a friend's game he'd immediately want to play, so he choose to play fall ball again.
I never push mine to play "more" baseball. I believe all athletes need an off season to relax and do other things. As a young man gets older he discovers other fun and interesting things to do with his friends and should be allowed to participate. After all, there is life after baseball and everyone must be prepared for it. As with any sport I always say "play it as long as you love it and if you ever don't, do something else".

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Fungo, it's a razor-thin line we walk when debating whether to "encourage" a child to push on with something. No, they shouldn't be playing to please us, or to allow us to live vicariously through their exploits on the diamond. But on the other hand we, as parents, have the benefit of life lessons and experience. How many times have we said, "if I had it to do over again."

As has been said before, baseball is a "game." If a child sincerely wants to leave the game, then we shouldn't beat them up about it.

In our case I learned to react to my son's mood swings. When he was younger, he could be very down when things didn't go his way. He turns 18 in a couple of weeks and he still rides the emotional roller coaster to some extent.

I think I've said this in another post. The 13 year old season was his worst in baseball. Not only was he dealing with more pressure from playing against a higher level of competition, but he was dealing for the first time with a coach who would raise his voice during a game, and he was dealing with the witch's brew of hormones that comes with puberty.

There were times when he'd say, "I don't think I want to play anymore." Our usual response was silence. We've learned that after a day or two he's ready to get back at it. Had we confronted him at the time, his natural reaction (as a child) would have been some measure of rebellion. I have to be honest, I would want to blurt out "you're not quitting."

Whether this psychology worked or not, who knows. If the desire is not in the child I don't know that there's anything we could, or should do. But, he's still playing.

This year, for the first time in years we didn't push him to continue workouts after the fall season. He started playing church league basketball in late November (something he really enjoys doing). The school's voluntary workouts started the first week of January. He's back at it and seems to be ready to go.

I can't guarantee that our method will work for anyone else. But it's worked so far.

p.s. my wife just looked over my shoulder and added: "Sometimes the mom needs to be a buffer between father and son."
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Bizazz's wife makes a very good point. I have fussed at my son at times when I thought he needed it. His mom has softened that occasionally, and she has been very effective. Fungo, strangely, and for whatever reasons, my son has never mentioned quitting baseball. A few times over the years he has been so upset with himself about his performance or perceived lack of improvement, that I have been just torn up that a kid would be that unhappy over baseball. I remember an instance when he was about 14 or 15 playing travel ball (I hope he doesn't read this) that he was so extremely upset with himself and seemed to be in pure agony, so unhappy that it hurt me. Yes, parents do hurt when their kids hurt. His room is downstairs, so he went off to bed as distraught as I'd ever seen him. I thought about him being so upset, probably feeling like a failure, downstairs alone, so after a few minutes, I slipped downstairs to talk to him. Although I didn't want him to quit baseball, I told him that a kid shouldn't be that unhappy over playing baseball, that maybe he should just quit. Or quit at least for a while, or to consider playing some just for fun, and not worry about college, scouts, coaches, stats, who's watching, proving himself etc. As tears ran down his face, he told me that he loved baseball, that he would never quit, that there was nothing else he wanted to do more than play baseball, and that he would just have to practice more and practice harder. He's a junior now, and he plays or practices every day year round. He puts baseball before school, girls, cars, everything. He probably needs to focus on some other things more, but what have I been doing? I've been making sure he gets to play all summer and fall, has the equipment he needs, gets to travel anywhere he feels like he should, and gets to practice every day during the winter. Before someone posts it, I'll go ahead and tell you that I've tried to temper his goals and self-expectations with explanations of how difficult it is to make a living playing baseball, or to even play at the D1 level, but he won't hear of it. He says he's going to keep playing and he's not giving up. Although I've told him the odds are against him, I'll never tell him or any other kid that anything is impossible. After all, I've told him his entire life that anything IS possible if you work hard enough and don't give up. Whatever happens, he won't be able to look back and wonder what if. I've often thought that the day would come when he would be tired of playing, become more interested in other things, give up, realize how difficult it is to accomplish his goals, or just suffer from plain old burnout. Right now, it doesn't appear to be anytime soon, but I suppose one never knows. Kids amaze me sometimes.
Fungo,

My own two cents.

I have seen both the 13-15 and 17-18 age groups as times when more talented athletes hang it up.

In talking to my kids and others, I have seen two main reasons why most don't continue.

One, the situation is personally negative and feels like a wasted effort for them to continue because they feel that the situation will not and cannot change now or in the future. Two, to continue would require an effort and time increase which they are not personally willing to take on.

My first two kids ended their sports participation after having successful high school careers for the second reason. They were not willing to take on the effort it would mean to play in college. My third kid (16 yo) is still in high school and has quit some sports due to the first reason. It will be interesting to see what the next two years brings.

Once they have come to one or both of these reasons there seems to be no going back.


Mike.
Fungo,

Another thought provoking topic from that creative mind of yours. Smile

I've personally experienced "burnout" a couple of times. Once as a player way back when I was 13 years old, and the other as a parent the past two years.

Both burnouts have been caused by politics. I don't want to bore anyone with the details, but I believe politics play more of a role in burnout than too much baseball.

If you enjoy baseball you can never get enough as a player. In the wrong situation though, you can forget that you enjoy the game. That's when the game can feel like work and the thought of walking away can creep into your mind and feel like the right thing to do.

Jason
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