Pushing for answer before Jupiter

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Originally posted by PGStaff:
IMO

There is nothing wrong if someone chooses a college based on academics.

There is nothing wrong if someone chooses a college based on the best deal financially.

There is nothing wrong if someone chooses a college based on location or other personal reasons.

And there is nothing wrong if someone chooses a college based on the baseball program.

Most people choose the breast, I want the leg. Talking about chicken of course!

Totally agree.

I especially like the last part as I also like the legs. Thighs are also an acceptable substitute for dark meat lovers, and if all I have to choose is a breast, that is fine too - all in reference to chicken of course

Legs and Wings - fried chicken
Thighs - grill/BBQ

I've grown to love those boneless thighs!

Just not a breast man at all, unless it's a pheasant or a turkey!

Back on topic... Chicken is just like college.

You don't know for sure how good it is until you actually taste it.

And... If we all wanted the same thing, restaurants wouldn't have a menu.

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If we all wanted the same thing, restaurants wouldn't have a menu.

True words of wisdom!


Julie

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All I am aksing you to do is justify "your" argument. I agree it is expensive to transfer and with your other arguments about the purposes of college but that does not address my question. "Why are people transferring when the baseball does not work out?" That fact, undercuts your argument.

i think it's because nobody ever asked them, will you be happy here if there is no baseball.

i love the chicken analogy, but if we had no menu how would we know what to call the things we don't like? just a thought.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
TPM

I wish you would not speak for others, especially me.

I can tell you that my son did not have what you term "shock" when he arrived on his college campus. Perhaps it was because he had done his homework before arriving there. And he was 2000 miles from home.

If you went back and read instead of trying to start an argument, many did say that it's important to do your homework, however, no matter how much you do it, some players will find it is just not what they expected.

BTW, things are very much different that when we both sent our players off, rules were different as well, recruiting was different, economic times different, redshirt years were more plentiful, and college baseball has become a much larger business than it was.

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Originally posted by TPM:
My son's dream school was UM, can't get much better than that as far as baseball programs go, right.

Yet, when all was said and done, after viewing the campus (city campus) , feeling like he would reside in South America rather than in the US, he wanted no part of it. He didn't feel comfortable, he didn't even feel comfortable with the Head Coach either.

I was shocked when I read this. While we are all different, I cannot think of a single person who does not like Coach Morris. I have known him for many years and he is universally loved by his staff(maybe one exception), players, school administration, and the community at large. He is soft spoken but his players pay close attention when he speaks. Personally I have always liked how he emphasizes getting a good education, and needing good grades to play in his program. Where as the football program took any athletic thug they could get their hands on, Jim Morris has always maintained a higher standard in his players, both in character and academics. His program speaks for itself being a perennial top 20 team, so I am just floored that your son did not care for him.

As to the rest, I certainly understand where your son was coming from.

TPM

Not looking for a fight--all I ask is that you need not speak for me--you do not have that right

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Originally posted by Vector:

I was shocked when I read this. While we are all different, I cannot think of a single person who does not like Coach Morris. I have known him for many years and he is universally loved by his staff(maybe one exception), players, school administration, and the community at large. He is soft spoken but his players pay close attention when he speaks. Personally I have always liked how he emphasizes getting a good education, and needing good grades to play in his program. Where as the football program took any athletic thug they could get their hands on, Jim Morris has always maintained a higher standard in his players, both in character and academics. His program speaks for itself being a perennial top 20 team, so I am just floored that your son did not care for him.

As to the rest, I certainly understand where your son was coming from.

Vector,
This is where the menu part comes in.

Are you saying that everyone has to feel the same way about every coach that recruits them?

You do know and understand this is a big part of the recruiting process, if you don't feel comfortable, don't proceed.

FWIW, I only noticed TPM speaking for herself. If people don't like what she has to say, then skip over her posts. I don't see why she has to be called out all the time...

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Originally posted by TPM:

Vector,
This is where the menu part comes in.

Are you saying that everyone has to feel the same way about every coach that recruits them?

You do know and understand this is a big part of the recruiting process, if you don't feel comfortable, don't proceed.

I prefaced my comment alluding to that. I am not saying your kid is wrong in some fashion, it is just a surprise considering what a great guy Coach Morris is. Regardless, it sounds like UM was not his cup of tea for several reasons, so he made the right decision in not pursuing it.

As to this general topic I wish we had such problems. My son will be attending PG as well as going to the Under Armour tourney the week before. Several scouts will be going to watch him play aside from the majority who have no clue who he is. Hopefully they will see something in him that they like, and ask him if he wants to be part of their program.

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Originally posted by ClevelandDad:

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Originally posted by PGStaff:
IMO

There is nothing wrong if someone chooses a college based on academics.

There is nothing wrong if someone chooses a college based on the best deal financially.

There is nothing wrong if someone chooses a college based on location or other personal reasons.

And there is nothing wrong if someone chooses a college based on the baseball program.

Most people choose the breast, I want the leg. Talking about chicken of course!

Totally agree.

I especially like the last part as I also like the legs. Thighs are also an acceptable substitute for dark meat lovers, and if all I have to choose is a breast, that is fine too - all in reference to chicken of course

I also agree and might suggest not being a square peg and simply going where you are wanted, which mean different things for different folks.

EDIT: Offers generally have a shelf life, as we found out first hand.

CD

She made a statement that was a general statement and myself as well as yourself are included

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Originally posted by TPM:

Do players experience "shock" when they arrive to a program, of course they do, not one parent here whose son went off to school will deny that. The honeymoon is over, the coach did his job getting you there, and now he's gonna continue it by making you a better player, a tougher kid and many coaches have different ways of accomplishing that.

CD,
Thanks.
He doesn't like the above statement I made. Shock comes in many forms, I was discussiong one, most are shocked to find out that college baseball is not highschool baseball, the guy who recruited you is a lot tougher than you thought, 50 people showed up and you can only have 35 on the roster, you can't get into the classes you want to take, etc.

IMO, instead of worrying that I may have spoken for him, it might be so much better to contribute something of value, sometimes.

Same old stuff, different day.

TPM

Read my posts lady== you might find a lot of value there--they may not be "feel good" posts and filled with the fluff but that you are so fond of .

I am not here to make people feel good but rather to give them real information based on years of experience with not only my son*s* but numerous players who have played with us over the years.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
I read the original post as asking not about education vs baseball but more do I go to Jupiter with an offer in hand and see if I get a better one.

Amazing how it morphed !!!

Hey MAN, amazing, isn't it.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
TPM

Read my posts lady== you might find a lot of value there--they may not be "feel good" posts and filled with the fluff but that you are so fond of .

I am not here to make people feel good but rather to give them real information based on years of experience with not only my son*s* but numerous players who have played with us over the years.

Sorry but I'm not seeing much of your "give them real information based on years of experience" showing up in this tread. Seems you're more bent on bashing a few posters than adding anything to the topic...

So far on this topic here is what we have gotten from you...

“Many players who have a college deal in hand go to Jupiter for the competition and the chance to be seen by all the pro scouts”

“CD, What the heck are "unofficial stats"?

“Not that my longtime friendly adversary, Bear, needs my support but your last post goes 100% against everything you espouse on this site. Go back and re read your post”

“I read the original post as asking not about education vs baseball but more do I go to Jupiter with an offer in hand and see if I get a better one. Amazing how it morphed” !!!

“I wish you would not speak for others, especially me. I can tell you that my son did not have what you term "shock" when he arrived on his college campus. Perhaps it was because he had done his homework before arriving there. And he was 2000 miles from home. “

“Not looking for a fight--all I ask is that you need not speak for me--you do not have that right “

“She made a statement that was a general statement and myself as well as yourself are included “


Maybe you should go back and read your post too... I truly enjoy it when you share your baseball knowledge... but this is getting a bit boring.

LOL

IMO, virtually every kid who goes to college is going to be shocked in some way. They may adjust well and handle it fine but they will be shocked at first.

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Originally posted by Coach_May:
... If the baseball is not going good no matter how good the academic situation is its not going to matter.

Every kid is different...

I appreciate that all our experiences differ. That being said, my experience disagrees strongly with the first part, but mostly because I agree wholeheartedly with the second part.

I think there are are a great number of players at mid majors and below that come to the realization that they either are not of the caliber of the front line starter, or are not going to get their chance, but because of baseball, have wound up at an institution that wouldn't have been available to them without baseball. These are good young men who through life experience are starting to show the mature ability of true objective assessment. It's really quite humbling and satisfying to see this type of critical thinking exist in making good life decisions about their future. I see it happen quite regularly, even when they are swimming upstream against all the baseball factors.

It's a lot like the decision players make to walk away from minor league ball to get on with the rest of their life...just at an earlier stage.

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Originally posted by CPLZ:

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Originally posted by Coach_May:
... If the baseball is not going good no matter how good the academic situation is its not going to matter.

Every kid is different...

I appreciate that all our experiences differ. That being said, my experience disagrees strongly with the first part, but mostly because I agree wholeheartedly with the second part.

I think there are are a great number of players at mid majors and below that come to the realization that they either are not of the caliber of the front line starter, or are not going to get their chance, but because of baseball, have wound up at an institution that wouldn't have been available to them without baseball. These are good young men who through life experience are starting to show the mature ability of true objective assessment. It's really quite humbling and satisfying to see this type of critical thinking exist in making good life decisions about their future. I see it happen quite regularly, even when they are swimming upstream against all the baseball factors.

It's a lot like the decision players make to walk away from minor league ball to get on with the rest of their life...just at an earlier stage.

That is a fine post.

Using baseball to leverage an educational opportunity that might not otherwise be there sounds like a good strategy. In that case, if the baseball did not work out, the student ought to still be happy staying at the respective institution and earning their degree.

What about this though...

Student-athlete gets accepted at both Emory and Duke. Here we might be splitting hairs as to which school is more academically prestigious and it might come down to which major is pursued i.e., one school is rated higher for one major than another.

If it weren't for baseball, neither admission would be possible. The Duke offer is as a recruited walk-on with finacial aid and other grants available. The Emory offer if financially comparable yet the coach is ga ga for the player. Basically guarantees four years of playing time. No one has ever heard of the Emory basketball team however and the athlete chooses Duke because of the ACC and Coach K experience. Each person is different obviously but in my mind, there is a better baseball decision to be made here without compromising academics.

Thanks for all of these responses, I know this got off track a little however it was still very helpful. Jr. has committed!! if anyone is interested in "The Journey" I will be happy to start a new post.

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Originally posted by LovetheGame2:
Thanks for all of these responses, I know this got off track a little however it was still very helpful. Jr. has committed!! if anyone is interested in "The Journey" I will be happy to start a new post.

Sure I'd like to read it. However for the purpose of this thread, why did he decide to commit before Jupiter?

Vector, the decision was his. He felt like the fit was right, a great offer to a great school. He said that he may get the attention of a big time SEC or ACC school but that he wanted to play right out of the gate and he feels like he can accomplish this from this program and may not at the "Big D-1's". He is relaxed now and ready to take the next step.

Where is he going??

At a SoCon school.