Pardon my ignorance but what exactly is the difference between a put out and an assist?
Who is credited with what and how are they determined? Thanks in advance to those that choose to enlighten me.
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basically, the player that makes a throw (leading to an out) gets the assist. The player who catches that throw and makes the tag or force out gets the put out. Also a player cathcing a fly ball gets a put out I believe.
somehow this all also applies to catchers on strikeouts etc., but someone else needs to help. I forget how that works.
somehow this all also applies to catchers on strikeouts etc., but someone else needs to help. I forget how that works.
Cathers are credited with a put-out when a batter strikes out. (And as a pitcher's mom, I believe that is totally bogus and the catcher should only be credited with an assist and the pitcher credited with the put-out ...) 
If, however, the ball is "dropped" (e.g., wild pitch or passed ball) on a strike out and the catcher manages to still throw the batter out at first, then the catcher is credited with an assist and the 1st baseman gets the put-out.
In a double play, I believe, the middle player gets credit for a put-out on the first out amd an assist om the second out ... how's that for confusing?
If, however, the ball is "dropped" (e.g., wild pitch or passed ball) on a strike out and the catcher manages to still throw the batter out at first, then the catcher is credited with an assist and the 1st baseman gets the put-out.In a double play, I believe, the middle player gets credit for a put-out on the first out amd an assist om the second out ... how's that for confusing?
Hey batter, Life should be so simple!
PUTOUTS
10.10
A putout shall be credited to each fielder who (1) catches a fly ball or a line drive, whether fair or foul; (2) catches a thrown ball which puts out a batter or runner, or (3) tags a runner when the runner is off the base to which he legally is entitled. (a) Automatic putouts shall be credited to the catcher as follows: (1) When the batter is called out for an illegally batted ball; (2) When the batter is called out for bunting foul for his third strike; (Note exception in 10.17 (a) (4)). (3) When the batter is called out for being touched by his own batted ball; (4) When the batter is called out for interfering with the catcher. (5) When the batter is called out for failing to bat in his proper turn; (See 10.03 (d)). (6) When the batter is called out for refusing to touch first base after receiving a base on balls; (7) When a runner is called out for refusing to advance from third base to home with the winning run. (b) Other automatic putouts shall be credited as follows (Credit no assists on these plays except as specified): (1) When the batter is called out on an Infield Fly which is not caught, credit the putout to the fielder who the scorer believes could have made the catch; (2) When a runner is called out for being touched by a fair ball (including an Infield Fly), credit the putout to the fielder nearest the ball; (3) When a runner is called out for running out of line to avoid being tagged, credit the putout to the fielder whom the runner avoided; (4) When a runner is called out for passing another runner, credit the putout to the fielder nearest the point of passing; (5) When a runner is called out for running the bases in reverse order, credit the putout to the fielder covering the base he left in starting his reverse run; (6) When a runner is called out for having interfered with a fielder, credit the putout to the fielder with whom the runner interfered, unless the fielder was in the act of throwing the ball when the interference occurred, in which case credit the putout to the fielder for whom the throw was intended, and credit an assist to the fielder whose throw was interfered with; (7) When the batter runner is called out because of interference by a preceding runner, as provided in Playing Rule 6.05 (m), credit the putout to the first baseman. If the fielder interfered with was in the act of throwing the ball, credit him with an assist, but credit only one assist on any one play under the provisions of 10.10 (b) (6) and (7).
ASSISTS
10.11
An assist shall be credited to each fielder who throws or deflects a batted or thrown ball in such a way that a putout results, or would have resulted except for a subsequent error by any fielder. Only one assist and no more shall be credited to each fielder who throws or deflects the ball in a run down play which results in a putout, or would have resulted in a putout, except for a subsequent error. NOTE: Mere ineffective contact with the ball shall not be considered an assist. "Deflect" shall mean to slow down or change the direction of the ball and thereby effectively assist in putting out a batter or runner. (a) Credit an assist to each fielder who throws or deflects the ball during a play which results in a runner being called out for interference, or for running out of line. (b) Do not credit an assist to the pitcher on a strikeout. EXCEPTION: Credit an assist if the pitcher fields an uncaught third strike and makes a throw which results in a putout. (c) Do not credit an assist to the pitcher when, as the result of a legal pitch received by the catcher, a runner is put out, as when the catcher picks a runner off base, throws out a runner trying to steal, or tags a runner trying to score. (d) Do not credit an assist to a fielder whose wild throw permits a runner to advance, even though the runner subsequently is put out as a result of continuous play. A play which follows a misplay (whether or not it is an error) is a new play, and the fielder making any misplay shall not be credited with an assist unless he takes part in the new play.
PUTOUTS
10.10
A putout shall be credited to each fielder who (1) catches a fly ball or a line drive, whether fair or foul; (2) catches a thrown ball which puts out a batter or runner, or (3) tags a runner when the runner is off the base to which he legally is entitled. (a) Automatic putouts shall be credited to the catcher as follows: (1) When the batter is called out for an illegally batted ball; (2) When the batter is called out for bunting foul for his third strike; (Note exception in 10.17 (a) (4)). (3) When the batter is called out for being touched by his own batted ball; (4) When the batter is called out for interfering with the catcher. (5) When the batter is called out for failing to bat in his proper turn; (See 10.03 (d)). (6) When the batter is called out for refusing to touch first base after receiving a base on balls; (7) When a runner is called out for refusing to advance from third base to home with the winning run. (b) Other automatic putouts shall be credited as follows (Credit no assists on these plays except as specified): (1) When the batter is called out on an Infield Fly which is not caught, credit the putout to the fielder who the scorer believes could have made the catch; (2) When a runner is called out for being touched by a fair ball (including an Infield Fly), credit the putout to the fielder nearest the ball; (3) When a runner is called out for running out of line to avoid being tagged, credit the putout to the fielder whom the runner avoided; (4) When a runner is called out for passing another runner, credit the putout to the fielder nearest the point of passing; (5) When a runner is called out for running the bases in reverse order, credit the putout to the fielder covering the base he left in starting his reverse run; (6) When a runner is called out for having interfered with a fielder, credit the putout to the fielder with whom the runner interfered, unless the fielder was in the act of throwing the ball when the interference occurred, in which case credit the putout to the fielder for whom the throw was intended, and credit an assist to the fielder whose throw was interfered with; (7) When the batter runner is called out because of interference by a preceding runner, as provided in Playing Rule 6.05 (m), credit the putout to the first baseman. If the fielder interfered with was in the act of throwing the ball, credit him with an assist, but credit only one assist on any one play under the provisions of 10.10 (b) (6) and (7).
ASSISTS
10.11
An assist shall be credited to each fielder who throws or deflects a batted or thrown ball in such a way that a putout results, or would have resulted except for a subsequent error by any fielder. Only one assist and no more shall be credited to each fielder who throws or deflects the ball in a run down play which results in a putout, or would have resulted in a putout, except for a subsequent error. NOTE: Mere ineffective contact with the ball shall not be considered an assist. "Deflect" shall mean to slow down or change the direction of the ball and thereby effectively assist in putting out a batter or runner. (a) Credit an assist to each fielder who throws or deflects the ball during a play which results in a runner being called out for interference, or for running out of line. (b) Do not credit an assist to the pitcher on a strikeout. EXCEPTION: Credit an assist if the pitcher fields an uncaught third strike and makes a throw which results in a putout. (c) Do not credit an assist to the pitcher when, as the result of a legal pitch received by the catcher, a runner is put out, as when the catcher picks a runner off base, throws out a runner trying to steal, or tags a runner trying to score. (d) Do not credit an assist to a fielder whose wild throw permits a runner to advance, even though the runner subsequently is put out as a result of continuous play. A play which follows a misplay (whether or not it is an error) is a new play, and the fielder making any misplay shall not be credited with an assist unless he takes part in the new play.
Fungo
After reading those rules (some of which I understood
) I see I had good reason to ask the question.
So if I understood correctly, all outs would involve a put out?
After reading those rules (some of which I understood
) I see I had good reason to ask the question.So if I understood correctly, all outs would involve a put out?
bkekcs,
I looks that way...I never knew there were so many different ways a batter/runner could make an out.
Fungo
I looks that way...I never knew there were so many different ways a batter/runner could make an out.
Fungo