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Dropped Strike 3 that gets away from the catcher. Catcher overthrows 1st base and the player takes off to 2nd base, ball is thrown WAY down line and the player is being brought to 3rd base. As he his nearing second base the OF attempts to field the ball and it kicks off of him, as the player is rounding 2nd and going to 3rd. When the ball went out of play he had already come in contact with 2nd base. The umpire sent him back to second via the 1 base from an infielder on an overthrow. Was this call correct?
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Originally posted by IEBSBL:
Dropped Strike 3 that gets away from the catcher. Catcher overthrows 1st base and the player takes off to 2nd base, ball is thrown WAY down line and the player is being brought to 3rd base. As he his nearing second base the OF attempts to field the ball and it kicks off of him, as the player is rounding 2nd and going to 3rd. When the ball went out of play he had already come in contact with 2nd base. The umpire sent him back to second via the 1 base from an infielder on an overthrow. Was this call correct?

The award is two bases from the time of the deflection.
Dash, your reply makes perfect sense, but what rule is applied for this? And I would have one additional question similar to this, but dealing with a pitch. R-1 at first and running on the pitch, pitcher throws wild pitch that rebounds of catchers leg guard toward the dugout. R-1 rounds second and heads toward third. The catcher A) sees this and intentionally kicks the ball into the dugout B) unintentionally kicks the ball into the dugout. What is the base award? My reading of 2-28-4 is that the "pitch" has not yet ended and R-1 would be entitled to one base from the time of the pitch. But this application would be unfair to R-1 so looking for something to make it right. Only thing I could come up with was that this play is not addressed in the rules, giving the PU ability to craft an apporpriate remedy.
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Originally posted by BigDaddy:
Dash, your reply makes perfect sense, but what rule is applied for this? And I would have one additional question similar to this, but dealing with a pitch. R-1 at first and running on the pitch, pitcher throws wild pitch that rebounds of catchers leg guard toward the dugout. R-1 rounds second and heads toward third. The catcher A) sees this and intentionally kicks the ball into the dugout B) unintentionally kicks the ball into the dugout. What is the base award? My reading of 2-28-4 is that the "pitch" has not yet ended and R-1 would be entitled to one base from the time of the pitch. But this application would be unfair to R-1 so looking for something to make it right. Only thing I could come up with was that this play is not addressed in the rules, giving the PU ability to craft an apporpriate remedy.


The applicable HS Rules are 8-3-3-c (Two-base award) and 8-3-5 (Award determined from the time of the throw, or in this case, the deflection).

Re: your examples:

In A, the award is two bases from the time of the act, because it is intentional.

In B, the umpire has to determine if the catcher supplied the energy that took the ball into dead ball area (not just a change in direction). If the ball deflected off the catcher, the award is one base because it was a pitch. If the catcher supplied the new impetus, the award is two bases from the kick.
Last edited by dash_riprock
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Originally posted by dash_riprock:
The applicable HS Rules are 8-3-3-c (Two-base award) and 8-3-5 (Award determined from the time of the throw, or in this case, the deflection).


Congratulations and a big pat on the back!

Most people quote OBR, even on this board, and while its better than nothing, it often doesn’t pertain completely to HSB.
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Originally posted by Stats4Gnats:
Congratulations and a big pat on the back!

Most people quote OBR, even on this board, and while its better than nothing, it often doesn’t pertain completely to HSB.


That's what I haven't figured out. In other realms, I assume OBR unless told otherwise. Here, unless you are in a non-FED state, I assume FED.

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