Question about jv and varsity eligibility

Oh. this is in NC.

A quick check of NCHSAA's rules ( https://www.nchsaa.org/intrane...7&type=5&atomID=7181 ):

In baseball and softball (due to daily limitations), it is permissible for an athlete to participate in a junior varsity and varsity game in the same day; however, any athlete is still subject to the weekly and seasonal limitations (four games a week, not to exceed three days, total of 23).

You'd have to ask the state what constitutes "participate".

thanks!

In some of my more rural games, we do the varsity game first....then as many JV innings in as we can....It isnt uncommon that half the varsity team, starts the JV game.....both rosters added together sometimes dont add up to 20 players.....

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Originally posted by piaa_ump:
In some of my more rural games, we do the varsity game first....then as many JV innings in as we can....It isnt uncommon that half the varsity team, starts the JV game.....both rosters added together sometimes dont add up to 20 players.....

Then why have a JV team at all? Just make them all Varsity players.

The high school I went to played JV and Varsity games at the same time on separate fields for conference games. Then, the softball teams played at the opposite location on that same day.

For this reason, our varsity coach would sometimes carry a couple of good freshmen as subs. This would allow the sophomores to play the JV game rather than sit the varsity bench. At some of the schools, he was known to take players from the JV game and bring them up to the varsity game if needed. I remember one time he sent a varsity player down to grab a JV kid.. they had to put in a pinch runner so he could go to the varsity game!

High school I spent time with in Southeast Missouri a couple years ago played the varsity game and then the JV game. No softball to worry about. They had lights on their baseball field so they were always able to play both games.

The school I currently work for plays most of their conference games as baseball/softball trips. So varsity baseball and softball will be at one location. These are smaller schools so they may not have JV teams, but if they did they might play at the opposite location.

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Originally posted by yawetag:

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Originally posted by piaa_ump:
In some of my more rural games, we do the varsity game first....then as many JV innings in as we can....It isnt uncommon that half the varsity team, starts the JV game.....both rosters added together sometimes dont add up to 20 players.....

Then why have a JV team at all? Just make them all Varsity players.

It is about participation. If there was only a Varsity then those true JV players would never play. The JV game is like a consolation game

Also, trying to manage a team with 20 players is not pretty.

Right now in New Jersey you must have your subs listed on the lineup card before the game starts, exchanged during pre-game. BUT if a player is late or comes up from the JV squad he is allowed to play, and added to the sub. list.

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Originally posted by yawetag:

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Originally posted by piaa_ump:
In some of my more rural games, we do the varsity game first....then as many JV innings in as we can....It isnt uncommon that half the varsity team, starts the JV game.....both rosters added together sometimes dont add up to 20 players.....

Then why have a JV team at all? Just make them all Varsity players.

they play schools with full varsity and JV squads.....they need to fulfill the requirement for both games....

they have 6-7 kids that dont get a whiff of varsity playing time

In our neck of the woods, with 24 players at varsity and another 22 at JV playing at a different venue at the same time, it isn't an issue.

Having 24 at Varsity IS and issue.

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Originally posted by yawetag:

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Originally posted by piaa_ump:
In some of my more rural games, we do the varsity game first....then as many JV innings in as we can....It isnt uncommon that half the varsity team, starts the JV game.....both rosters added together sometimes dont add up to 20 players.....

Then why have a JV team at all? Just make them all Varsity players.

Probably because they don't have enough quality players to fill out the varsity squad and they need someone there in case a starter goes down. This way the backups get some playing time while still allowing for the team to field two full teams.

My son's team did this a few times in the past.

This was done in Iowa all the time. In fact, Iowa had a rule that if a player participated only as pitcher and batting his spot in the lineup, it didn't count against his season limit (40 for summer ball). Also, participants who only were used as a courtesy runner did not have that game count against them, so they would sometimes use a JV player for this. This was not true with the big schools, but with the small schools it was popular (the softball and baseball teams would be at one school so they could use one bus and some schools had either baseball or softball varsity game played first so fans could go between the sites). Some of these small schools had under 100 students total, even counting 8th graders who could play on the high school team (another Iowa rule), so having 20 players playing baseball was great. Girls softball was even stranger (they have split state associations in Iowa based on gender) where they had a higher limit (65 games for individual with a 40 game limit on games a team could play at a level per summer), but all counted. So in softball, in many cases, players played both games.