Quick Question

rule 6 .section1 ART2. the pitcher's non-pivot foot shall be in any position on or behind a line extending through the front edge of the pitcher's plate.

What about the pivot foot?

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Originally posted by Tangents23:
What about the pivot foot?

Must be in contact. From the set only, the ENTIRE pivot foot must be in contact with or immediately in front of the rubber, although this is often overlooked if there is a crater in front of the rubber.

So a RH pitcher can't start from the windup on the far left side of the rubber with his left foot off even if his pivot foot is on and goes in front of the rubber during his pivot?

He certainly can start with his nonpivot foot beside the rubber. Why would you think it couldn't?

Michael, you might want to clarify the difference in where his 'non-pivot' foot can be located when pitching our of the windup vs. out of the stretch. We had this come up in a scrimmage yesterday with a pitcher who was coming set in the stretch with his foot outside the allowed boundary. I'm sure you'll explain it better than I, so please elaborate for tangent and others.

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Originally posted by dash_riprock:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tangents23:
From the set only, the ENTIRE pivot foot must be in contact with or immediately in front of the rubber, although this is often overlooked if there is a crater in front of the rubber.

Overlooked, except when you do the games ... cause you don't break rules. Atleast that is your quote. "I don't blame your partner for not posting for game 2. You were the one who broke the rules." Save yourself the explanation; I'll do it for you...
(You) "I don't break rules unless I'm there and can clearly see the reason. When someone posts something on-line that happened 1,000 miles from me, and 8 years ago - believe me, I know better what to do."
Yeah Ok.
In my opinion only, it sounds like your ego is involved on a decision to over rule my co-ump 8 years ago. But not if I overlook a rule that states where the pitchers foot is supposed to be. Can you help with my misunderstanding of exactly when you over look a rule? ONLY when your ego is involved?

Most officials can discern between handling a safety issue and over ruling not only your partner but also the rules.

Those who cannot should limit their involvement in game management to sitting in the stands.

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Most officials can discern between handling a safety issue and over ruling not only your partner but also the rules.

Those who cannot should limit their involvement in game management to sitting in the stands.

I couldn't agree more; but I was told to not ever break the rules. (?)
So - tell me how you arrived at the issue of a 'safety concern'? If I had to guess, I'd say observation and common sense. Aha! Now you're into philosophy. I used MY philosophy to overturn a completely ridiculous call by a very bad umpire ... as I was asked to do by BOTH coaches. If I'd only known this board was here then I would have checked first.
Did anyone know that the base ump that day had called a runner out when the 1st baseman's foot was 3 FEET from first? You all were there. You should know. He didn't appeal to me so I left it. Did anyone know that between innings the base ump asked me if a ball was fair if it went over the infield fair but curved and landed foul? You were all there. You should know. Did anyone know that this ump asked me if it was OK to turn to first on the set but not throw after setting? You should since you were there. Did all of you, who obviously were there, know that this base ump showed up 15 min late - as usual? His blue shirt was dirty and the shoulder ripped out? Do you remember, since you were there, that the league admin. said he was going to honor this guys dates for the remainder of the year, but not have him back? This after an ejection of a mgr. a few games before this where a batter obviously got hit but he didn't appeal to me so I left it alone. The batter showed him the BLOOD and he wouldn't even ask me what I saw? Be fair guys; since you were there for all this and you still won't cut me some slack?

Dave,
you have a PM...

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Originally posted by 06catcherdad:
Michael, you might want to clarify the difference in where his 'non-pivot' foot can be located when pitching our of the windup vs. out of the stretch. We had this come up in a scrimmage yesterday with a pitcher who was coming set in the stretch with his foot outside the allowed boundary. I'm sure you'll explain it better than I, so please elaborate for tangent and others.

The nonpivot foot on a set has to be in front of the front edge of the plate. What has caused some concern in the past few years is the practice of setting in an open position. Some guys are saying they can't tell the difference between a set and a wind-up. I have never understood this but that's another discussion.
When setting if the ptcher is standing in an open position he can set open or closed. If he is closed then he can only set closed. Just remember the lead foot has to be in front of the front edge of the rubber.

Guess I never cleared this up. If a pitcher is in the stretch their non-pivot foot needs to start in front of the front part of the pitchers plate but from the wind-up it can be off the rubber as long as their pivot foot is on and then in front of the rubber?

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Originally posted by Tangents23:
Guess I never cleared this up. If a pitcher is in the stretch their non-pivot foot needs to start in front of the front part of the pitchers plate but from the wind-up it can be off the rubber as long as their pivot foot is on and then in front of the rubber?

In High School rules, from the windup, the non-pivot foot must be on or behind the front edge of the rubber (extended).