Quickness... ..what you give up

Great idea Donny. Put SO much slack in your swing that you don't have to worry about hitting it up the middle off the tee. In fact, if you put just the right amount of slack in your swing you can make the ball go up the middle every time. Now, don't put too much because you'll hit it oppo. But, for god's sake, don't pull it.

Now, take this swing against a high level pitcher and you'll be begging me for quickness advice.

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Originally posted by swingbuster:
...The strengths of the quickness approach has some weakness and it will be revealed for you here.

First, be sure to use kids. Amateurs. People who probably don't have high level swings yet. The ones just learning. And use them to point out weaknesses.

For this experiment, it doesn't matter if the kid has a high level swing. In fact, the worse swing the better. After all, I'm proving my "religion".

Donny,

I have no idea how someone can put as much time in as you and be where you are.

But, I'll give you a hint. Being quick and hitting the ball up the middle (even off a Tee) are not mutually exclusive. Now, YOU may not know how to do it. Your kids may not know how to do it......but that proves nothing.

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For full time coaches

I don't know how you can spend so much time here and cannot read and follow directions.

I have heard your point if view...duly noted.


Why not start you own thread and tell us how the front leg works or something. I will read it. I promise. I might like it. Some of us aren't buying your upper body stuff...sorry.

Linear: "Being quick and hitting the ball up the middle (even off a Tee) are not mutually exclusive. Now, YOU may not know how to do it. Your kids may not know how to do it......but that proves nothing."

Tony Gwynn ( 8 batting titles). "Every time I try to get my swing going real quick it breaks down."

Tell it to Tony ...............

I will tell you what I do agree with....good
( spine angle )posture saves time and adds quickness. See I can agree on things

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Originally posted by swingbuster:

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For full time coaches

Say what you mean......Because I'm quite sure I put in more time than most coaches.

If you mean "paid coaches" say so.

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Originally posted by swingbuster:

Tony Gwynn ( 8 batting titles). "Every time I try to get my swing going real quick it breaks down."

Tell it to Tony ...............

You mean the same Tony Gwynn whose analysis of Barry Bonds swing is ridiculously flawed.

Stick to swinging Tony because you have no idea how to explain what you're doing.

BTW how do you like coaching DI baseball Mr. Gwynn?

Some players are quicker than others.

Some players can generate more bat speed than others.

What the "theory" fails to understand - and address - is the difference in the natural abilities of each and every player.

It also fails to understand the importance of the hands/arms and wrists in the swing.

IMO - These things need to be addressed and incorporated into the "Theory" before it it has any material relevance.

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What the "theory" fails to understand - and address - is the difference in the natural abilities of each and every player.

They disserve a chance to try it right. It is not theory it is a batting method that is the most natural.

I have seen 6 year olds get it in 5 swings. It is easy to teach IMO

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It also fails to understand the importance of the hands/arms and wrists in the swing. "

Hands **** to initiate a backwards loading sequence...arms involved while elbows still bent,lead elbow hands down relaxed, rear elbow high.....the hands wrist and arms in the ractive stage of the swing is a no coach for me..happens to fast. If they roll i.e. your rotation failed you..or you yanked the hands out prematurely

Swingbuster, I'm reading on the run, do you coach back elbow high? In our program, we say let it go natural. What we do is ask the player to hold the bat in their back arm hand (typically, their strong hand) and then ask them to hold the bat as if they had to protect themselves with the bat in a dark alley. Where ever that is, is where that back arm/elbow should be. Just wondering.

The hands are low in close but not pinched or tight ..in front of the collar bone, The top hand pronated and that levers the elbow up. The lead elbow hangs almost straight down relaxed. Some knee flex and waist bed( spine angle) posture. You have to have the waist bend to see the lead elbow is just hanging close to the body. The elbow positions will completely reverse sending the bat barrel backwards effortlessly

From behind in the learning phase we put the bat vertical and from the side slightly tipped to co-k the hands.

Next take a stride and hit. Darrell they will coil/ tuck during the stride and the front foot gets down as the hands are going back and the bat plane is changing.

You will have some guys that love the freedom of getting out of heel to toe.

The simultaneous shoulder loading/coiling will limit the stride to what feels right. Over striding is a thing of the past...not a concern.

The plane change and starting point of the hands and bat can be your focal point and the how the do it. It will scap load you naturally, hide your hands at toe touch( an absolute)and get the barrel more square through the zone and tthese are something you might not be achieving nnow.

Swing,

I wasnt referring to your drill.

Swingbuster, I appreciate your threads man, but I can get a kid from stance to hitting zone in 2 to 3 sentences. CoachB25, we can agree on the elbow, as a raised one will either slow the bat or create too much arm action. Its in the hands and the hips, plain and simple.

Coachric

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Its in the hands and the hips, plain and simple

True, as long as you can get them moving in the opposite direction at initiation.

Stand at the mound and see how many kids hide their hands at to touch.

I can do what I do in 2-3 sentences with the kid present too

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as a raised one will either slow the bat

ric...

A raised elbow without lowering the lead elbow until it points down I AGREE would be waste of time and serve no purpose. It is the relative elbow positions that must work in unison to sendd the bat backwards at initiation. Your hands and arms can be quiet

When Nym-an said he could create a high level swing with little or no arm action that can mean many things. His animations are great. The arms/ elbows are changing relative positions and the bat path is perfect. If this is considered no arm and hands action at launch then fine.... he is a hero. It comes down to terms.


Mankin describes the bat path due to hand torque. NYma- disputes this and calls it a scap muscle action. The insueing pissin contest clouded the picture and retarded peoples understanding. It became more important to battle the pure science that to teach and help others

It could be easily described as relative elbow action ( lead elbow coming down as rear elbow elivates) working the bottom hand under the top during the stride initiation. This is so simple and solves so many problems. If you can teach this move the rest is on auto pilot for many kids. The beauty is it is all in the conscience portion of the preswing. It is monkey see monkey do about 5 times and they feel it.

I can teach it better with the top hand position and c-ock initiating the elbow action an dthe sequence because kids can see the relative elbow positions change when they get the right mucles groups going.

The end result could be same coachiing/ explaining / showing it three ways.

They ( kids ) cannot see their scaps and coaching/ thinking hands seems to make the kids hit with them to quickly breaking the rotation down or usually never getting the hands back and inside.

Anything that can get the hands back and inside at toe touch is worth considering at least.

Anything that doesn't get the hands back and inside at toe touch will hurt the potential

Swingbuster, again, we agree! I'd love to come down and see you work!