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Originally Posted by Golfman25:
Originally Posted by snowman:

Also from FanGraphs:

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/offense/batted-ball/

 

Why Batted Ball Stats:

Batted ball stats are extremely useful for determining the type of hitter at which you’re looking. There is no ideal batted ball distribution, but batters who hit a lot of line drives typically perform better than hitters who hit lots of fly balls or ground balls. Generally speaking, line drives go for hits most often, ground balls go for hits more often than fly balls, and fly balls are more productive than ground balls when they do go for hits (i.e. extra base hits). Additionally, infield fly balls are essentially strikeouts and almost never result in hits or runner advancement. Here are the numbers from 2014:

TypeAVGISOwOBA
GB.239.020.220
LD.685.190.684
FB.207.378.335

 

So, my take is why not focus on line drives which looks like the sweet spot. I've spent hours watching MLB games tracking swings: over, under and on (bat relative to ball). Roughly 60% of swings are under resulting in misses, pop ups, fly balls and the occasional home run.The remaining 40% of swings seem to be divided somewhat evenly between "over" (resulting in ground balls) and "on" resulting in line drives. If players can hit consistently under the ball 60% of the time why can't they hit consistently "on" the ball 60% of the time? The answer, I think, is they can but as the original article in this thread points out players have been taught for decades that backspin is the goal and that requires hitting the lower half (under) of the ball. Why not hit the middle half of the ball? The stats show a much higher chance of success offensively and every once in awhile you'll screw up and hit one out. Win win.

It seems to me, there has been a greater focus on the home run these days.  Guys that can really pound the ball into orbit seem more desirable than those who can hit for average and get on base. 

Yup, that seems to be, but. . .

 

. . . look at the Giants over the last 5 years.  

Originally Posted by snowman:

Also from FanGraphs:

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/offense/batted-ball/

 

Why Batted Ball Stats:

Batted ball stats are extremely useful for determining the type of hitter at which you’re looking. There is no ideal batted ball distribution, but batters who hit a lot of line drives typically perform better than hitters who hit lots of fly balls or ground balls. Generally speaking, line drives go for hits most often, ground balls go for hits more often than fly balls, and fly balls are more productive than ground balls when they do go for hits (i.e. extra base hits). Additionally, infield fly balls are essentially strikeouts and almost never result in hits or runner advancement. Here are the numbers from 2014:

TypeAVGISOwOBA
GB.239.020.220
LD.685.190.684
FB.207.378.335

 

So, my take is why not focus on line drives which looks like the sweet spot. I've spent hours watching MLB games tracking swings: over, under and on (bat relative to ball). Roughly 60% of swings are under resulting in misses, pop ups, fly balls and the occasional home run.The remaining 40% of swings seem to be divided somewhat evenly between "over" (resulting in ground balls) and "on" resulting in line drives. If players can hit consistently under the ball 60% of the time why can't they hit consistently "on" the ball 60% of the time? The answer, I think, is they can but as the original article in this thread points out players have been taught for decades that backspin is the goal and that requires hitting the lower half (under) of the ball. Why not hit the middle half of the ball? The stats show a much higher chance of success offensively and every once in awhile you'll screw up and hit one out. Win win.

I think you'll find near universal agreement -- from Little League coaches through the pros -- that line drives are the best. The disagreement comes in the form of ground balls vs. fly balls. Lots and lots of coaches, particularly at the high school and below levels, believe that ground balls are better.  In the majors, the evidence clearly shows that fly balls are more productive (wOBA of .335 for fly balls is way, way better than the wOBA of .220 for ground balls). Now, the lower the level of baseball it is, the more those ground balls will results in errors (say, below high school), so there may be some short term gain from hitting ground balls. But in terms of teaching kids how to play, for me the preference is (1) line drives, (2) fly balls, (3) grounders. And that means a slight uppercut swing path, as Ted Williams pointed out in his book 50 years ago.

Originally Posted by 2020dad:
Amen 2019.  So much garbage out there.  And surprisingly many so called experts teaching it.  Funny how science is now proving almost everything Ted Williams knew intuitively!

Had the opportunity to play at 10 years old, coach my son at this age, and observe three grandsons play at this age; and I came to the following conclusion, that they all had natural sweet swings even though they (incl me) couldn't hit for beans. I see a lot of coaches (dads) giving bad advice because the 10 yr old can't hit. More often than not, if they couldn't 10, they will catch up soon enough. 

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