Recent "crazy" umpiring calls...

I know of some very good umpires in Ohio. It's unfortunate none of them worked your games.

Wow ! Interesting! I've never heard of a defensive swing- where did he get that? How old are these kids?

If this is High School he's at at least right with #3. Players on the team in uniform cannot be outside the dugout, you can warm up your pitcher Etc. But they normally need to be in the dugout.

I am curious about #2, my son holds a batting glove in each hand when running the bases because of a player that broke two fingers sliding into third base head first with his hands out. Keeping his gloves in his hands prevent this from being a problem. Never heard of that rule, I say if a batting glove causes someone to trip they should consider keeping score instead of infield.

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Originally posted by NJUmp:
If this is High School he's at at least right with #3. Players on the team in uniform cannot be outside the dugout, you can warm up your pitcher Etc. But they normally need to be in the dugout.

Not exactly true. I didnt work this game, but the assignor talked of this sich at the last assoc mtg and the PU was reprimanded afterwards for being OOO (overly officious official).
It was varsity, and I've worked that school's games multiple times. The dugouts are VERY small with the scoreboard table next to it, between the dugout and backstop, but behind the extended backstop side. There are bleachers behind the backstop, which is about 10 ft from homeplate--everything is very close...there's just not much room.
In my games there, this was always brought up in the coaches pregame, players do stay in the dugouts, except the on deck batter, but this call was unnecessary, 2 injured players in shorts /sandals but just wearing jerseys keeping score?.... just bad game management....

Thus the use of "normally"

Good thing that isn't the rule in college.. I think a lot of teams would be in trouble for their players being out of the dugout..

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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:
Good thing that isn't the rule in college.. I think a lot of teams would be in trouble for their players being out of the dugout..

College doesn't play under the National Federation of High School rules.

#1 Tell the umpire to get a rulebook and STUDY IT.
#2 Maybe this umpire needs to be a manager at a 7-11 so he can micromanage people
#3 Ok. Now it's time for this alleged umpire to retire and get a life

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Originally posted by therefump:
#1 Tell the umpire to get a rulebook and STUDY IT.
#2 Maybe this umpire needs to be a manager at a 7-11 so he can micromanage people
#3 Ok. Now it's time for this alleged umpire to retire and get a life

Enjoy the remainder of the game from across the street.

Archangel....clearly, you've worked at Carroll and probably know me. Good to know that Ron lectured the ump for going over the top....I believe the kids need to be protected and stay in the dugout. But, as you know, where they were at they were more protected than the kids in our dugout.

As for the "Swing" incident: it was a very young umpire (mid 20's), but he is notorious for "creating" rules and then saying that they are in the rulebook.

Finally, I agree about carrying the batting gloves. I don't MAKE kids do that, but I think it is a safer way to slide than with fingers extended. We suggest to our players that they do it that way. When I asked this umpire "Won't you feel guilty if that kid slides in head first and dislocates a finger?"....he just looked at me and said "Nope"...

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Originally posted by TCB1:
1. Kid takes full swing at a pitch and it hits him. Umpire tells me he gets awarded 1st because it was a "defensive swing" and therefore not a strike. Says "It's in the rule book"

2. Ump tells a player he CANNOT keep his batting gloves in his hands while running the bases as if he drops them and someone trips on them he (the ump) will call interference and the runner will be out. Says he must wear them or put them in his back pocket.

3. Have 2 injured players, both with their jerseys on, sitting out of play behind a fence running the scoreboard and PA system at a table. Home plate ump tells me they cannot sit outside of the dugout due to the new emphasis that all players must stay in the dugout.
My head is still swimming from the insanity.....

I have been trying to sit on the sidelines and watch for a while, but I have to comment on this ...

1. A swing, is a swing, is a swing....defensive or otherwise....whether he meant to or not.....we all know this...

2. Another indication of OOO...I dont care if he sticks his batting gloves up his nose... Just because the rule book gives you the right to rule on any issue (9.01C)...does not mean that you should.....9.01C is the crutch for poorly trained umpires...

3. Classic OOO.... I can see that they arent particpants...shorts and sandals?....how clear do you have to be...I have had the JV team wandering the stands in full uniform doing fundraising...I have more important things to worry about...like a Varsity game underway......

Young guy, obviously undertrained, needs some mentoring.....How about a little lesson in CSFP....(common sense, fair play)??

I have an example....NFHS rules say the coaches must be in full uniform....all 3 coaches are in jackets....my partner wants to make them put on jerseys under the jackets, because its the rule....I stopped him...why?...because the jersey would not be visible under the jacket anyway AND the coaches arent going to play......would we not know who the coaches are without a jersey?.......


Please....

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Originally posted by TCB1:
When I asked this umpire "Won't you feel guilty if that kid slides in head first and dislocates a finger?"....he just looked at me and said "Nope"...

Now here I agree with your umpire....I ,as the umpire, will not feel guilty if a player chooses to do something legal that results in his injury....my area of influence does not extend to his legal choices in the game...such as a head first or feet first slides....

There are many legal things that players can do that could result in injury, until such time as the NFHS rules against them, it is not our job or responsiblity to stop them.... and as such, there is no "guilt" if we dont....

If you dont agree with NFHS rules, they have a process where you can attempt to get them changed....

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There are many legal things that players can do that could result in injury, until such time as the NFHS rules against them, it is not our job or responsiblity to stop them.... and as such, there is no "guilt" if we dont....

PIAA - I think he was asking "wouldn't you feel guilty if you made the kid put his batting gloves in his pocket, rather than hold on to them in order to prevent injury, and then have him break a finger sliding head first."

These examples just remined us that 'common sense' isn't common enough.

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Originally posted by Rob Kremer:

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There are many legal things that players can do that could result in injury, until such time as the NFHS rules against them, it is not our job or responsiblity to stop them.... and as such, there is no "guilt" if we dont....

PIAA - I think he was asking "wouldn't you feel guilty if you made the kid put his batting gloves in his pocket, rather than hold on to them in order to prevent injury, and then have him break a finger sliding head first."

good catch....I better go back on the sidelines!

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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:
Good thing that isn't the rule in college.. I think a lot of teams would be in trouble for their players being out of the dugout..

The college rule is very similar to the HS rule on players and if being evaluated and you allow coaches and players out of the dugout you will be marked down.

a. All players and substitutes of both teams must be in their team’s dugout
area or bullpen and remain there until the ball has been declared dead or
the side has been retired. This excludes the batter, the on-deck batter, base
runners, base coaches and the nine defensive players (see 5-2-c).

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Young guy, obviously undertrained, needs some mentoring.....How about a little lesson in CSFP....(common sense, fair play)??

PIAA...I'd love to say that this was the case in the "players out of play" incident or the "batting gloves" incident, but on both occasions the umpire had been an ump for more than 20 years.

TCB1...

that is even more disheartening.....