Would it be a UIL recruiting violation for former Little League teammates to transfer to a school coached by a teammate's father?
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It is a violation to transfer for athletic purposes.
quote:Originally posted by HomePlateDad:
Would it be a UIL recruiting violation for former Little League teammates to transfer to a school coached by a teammate's father?
txbball14 is right. The UIL does not allow for a transfer because of athletic reasons.... but IMHO, that's a crazy rule because you are relying on the "intent" of the family moving. Who knows what goes on inside of someone's mind.
However, regardless of the rule, it is important to understand the practical process. The "transfer from" school district AD and administration has enormous power here. In reality, they might be considered to be the "judge." That too sounds a bit crazy where a vested party is the judge. Just ask around for real world examples to understand the practicality of all of this.
Its not against any rule if the current coach signs off on the transfer.
The problem is, I know the UIL rules. And I agree it's how it will be interpreted if brought into the open. Fact: these kids played Little League together in one city and specific school district. Because one player's dad is head coach in another nearby city and school district, these players all transferred (not moved) for the purpose of playing baseball because they were guaranteed Varsity Starting their Sophomore year since the little league head coach started the school coach's son. Multiple lettermen quit because their positions were taken by these under-classmen despite winning district and entering their Senior year. What do you think, let it go, demand the upper classmen play as long as they are justifiably better players, or report it and ruin everyones season?
I don't know anything about UIL rules xcept what I read here but since you asked a question.....
- You keep mentioning LL. That's a long time ago. I don't see that has anything to do with it.
- Seems odd for a coach to play a sophomore over a senior, returning letterman unless
the soph is way better.
- If the uppers quit, shame on them. Don't be quitters. Can't go through life that way.
- If I felt strongly enough I'd discuss with the coach myself [unless my kid already quit]
but you risk simply being a parent whining about playing time. If the sophs are clearly
the better players what do you expect?
- The uppers should've stayed with the team, been leaders, and did their talking with
their bats and gloves demonstrating their experience, maturity, and skill. I believe
that in HS if you're a hitter you will not be denied playing time.
- Aside from all this, sounds like it s_u_x for someone.
.rockdad
- You keep mentioning LL. That's a long time ago. I don't see that has anything to do with it.
- Seems odd for a coach to play a sophomore over a senior, returning letterman unless
the soph is way better.
- If the uppers quit, shame on them. Don't be quitters. Can't go through life that way.
- If I felt strongly enough I'd discuss with the coach myself [unless my kid already quit]
but you risk simply being a parent whining about playing time. If the sophs are clearly
the better players what do you expect?
- The uppers should've stayed with the team, been leaders, and did their talking with
their bats and gloves demonstrating their experience, maturity, and skill. I believe
that in HS if you're a hitter you will not be denied playing time.
- Aside from all this, sounds like it s_u_x for someone.
.rockdad
quote:Originally posted by HomePlateDad:
The problem is, I know the UIL rules. And I agree it's how it will be interpreted if brought into the open. Fact: these kids played Little League together in one city and specific school district. Because one player's dad is head coach in another nearby city and school district, these players all transferred (not moved) for the purpose of playing baseball because they were guaranteed Varsity Starting their Sophomore year since the little league head coach started the school coach's son. Multiple lettermen quit because their positions were taken by these under-classmen despite winning district and entering their Senior year. What do you think, let it go, demand the upper classmen play as long as they are justifiably better players, or report it and ruin everyones season?
It is a violation to transfer for athletic purposes.
Call the UIL. No one here can enforce the rules. By ignoring the rules, we are teaching our kids that cheating is OK.
Thanks for all the input so far. And no, my son is not one that was affected. He is a starter and top hitter thank heavens. We feel caught between a rock and that other place as this is our last year. I mention LL because this group played together 5+ years until 2 years ago when they entered HS, had great success, are good players (not good enough to play 4-5A until maybe late in their Jr year at their 5A school) but good enough to start and compete at smaller levels. The head coaches son (small school) played with this group, started, and not that good. They have a very strong and obvious "click". All transferred as freshmen and were essentially given starting spots, 6 in all. In fact their LL coach (top coach, board member, president, involved in everything type) became the Summer coach when they transferred (still coaches the LL Jr team with several younger brothers who will transfer next year and be Varsity). Nice feeder program! Better than some but not better than the 3 upper classmen that quit. I regret these seniors had to quit because "they would not play regardless". We have the very strong probability to compete for state this year. However ? ? ? What should I do as it could cost us dearly?
easy for me to say because it doesn't affect my son's team, but sometimes there is a need for some tough love and the chance to teach your son that right is right. baseball is all about teaching lifes lessons.
If I am misunderstanding this?
If the player gets his current coach to agree and sign the transfer then the player can play and the UIL is not in play. If he won't sign then he can't play varsity. If its private school they can risk it and go but there could be ramifications.
I don't see the issue.
If the player gets his current coach to agree and sign the transfer then the player can play and the UIL is not in play. If he won't sign then he can't play varsity. If its private school they can risk it and go but there could be ramifications.
I don't see the issue.
quote:Originally posted by Top Shelf:
If I am misunderstanding this?
If the player gets his current coach to agree and sign the transfer then the player can play and the UIL is not in play. If he won't sign then he can't play varsity. If its private school they can risk it and go but there could be ramifications.
I don't see the issue.
Investigations can be introduced no matter who signs the PAPF.
Former coach and administrator has to sign the PAPF. This only lets the new District Executive Committee know that, as far as they know, the kid was not recruited.
Then the new coach/school turns it in to their District Chairperson. They call a District Executive Committee meeting and look over the forms. The DEC then rules that the kid is eligible, that the case needs to be investigated, or they just vote. The committee can vote not to give eligibility. Some schools vote no just because their coach told their representative at the meeting that this kid give that school a better shot to win.
Then the parent can appeal to Austin.
I agree, the kid alot of the times gets the short end of the stick because of adults jealousy.
Then the new coach/school turns it in to their District Chairperson. They call a District Executive Committee meeting and look over the forms. The DEC then rules that the kid is eligible, that the case needs to be investigated, or they just vote. The committee can vote not to give eligibility. Some schools vote no just because their coach told their representative at the meeting that this kid give that school a better shot to win.
Then the parent can appeal to Austin.
I agree, the kid alot of the times gets the short end of the stick because of adults jealousy.
Rockdad quote- Seems odd for a coach to play a sophomore over a senior, returning letterman unless
the soph is way better.
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At our school there are fresh playing over sophomores, juniors and seniors, because of of who they know. Not fair or right at all. The coaches demeanor towards them is very noticable. They are getting opportunities that uppers should be getting. _______________________________________________
quote- I believe
that in HS if you're a hitter you will not be denied playing time.
- Aside from all this, sounds like it s_u_x for someone.
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Not at our school, and if you say anything it will be made worse for those players. Yes, your right it does s_u_x, but what can you do? Nothing! It's been a long season. Gotta love it!
Also, wasn't sure how to post quotes from fellow posters, so hope you can understand my post.
the soph is way better.
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At our school there are fresh playing over sophomores, juniors and seniors, because of of who they know. Not fair or right at all. The coaches demeanor towards them is very noticable. They are getting opportunities that uppers should be getting. _______________________________________________
quote- I believe
that in HS if you're a hitter you will not be denied playing time.
- Aside from all this, sounds like it s_u_x for someone.
_________________________________________________
Not at our school, and if you say anything it will be made worse for those players. Yes, your right it does s_u_x, but what can you do? Nothing! It's been a long season. Gotta love it!
Also, wasn't sure how to post quotes from fellow posters, so hope you can understand my post.
Some counties and districts seem to be exempt from recruiting rules. Denton, for instance.
Thanks to all that have replied so far. Can a report be made annonimously? I can't afford to crucify my kid otherwise. The A.D. has no clue about what is going on. Would anyone risk telling him (which brings you into the open)to get rid of the primary perpetrators and everything you know stays quiet so they don't lose their entire season?