What would some reasons be to be redshirted your freshman year?
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1) injury
2) major lack of production in fall ball
3) slow learner
4) grades
5) players who were going to go MLB organizations didn't go
6) coach has a prejudice against a player (hardly ever happens)
7) attitude
2) major lack of production in fall ball
3) slow learner
4) grades
5) players who were going to go MLB organizations didn't go
6) coach has a prejudice against a player (hardly ever happens)
7) attitude
Try this --- time to develop a frosh who would sit on the bench behind a senior---program does not want to waste a year of eligibility
A friend's son would have been third catcher at best, his freshman year behind an All-American and a sophomore who got the starting position the next season.
The kid redshirted. He bulked up. He worked on the defensive work. He also started taking grounders at first and third. The kid had done nothing but catch post-LL.
His RS-freshman year he got forty starts between C, 1B and DH. He hit .300+. He was expected to be the DH this year and backup behind the plate. An injury has him playing first or third every game. All those grounders his RS season are paying off. Next year when he's a junior, catcher is an open position.
The kid redshirted. He bulked up. He worked on the defensive work. He also started taking grounders at first and third. The kid had done nothing but catch post-LL.
His RS-freshman year he got forty starts between C, 1B and DH. He hit .300+. He was expected to be the DH this year and backup behind the plate. An injury has him playing first or third every game. All those grounders his RS season are paying off. Next year when he's a junior, catcher is an open position.
txbb6,
This worries me that you ask this question. Having second thoughts on sons decision? I must ask why you would ask this question. Reason I ask is I don't see his competition going away after red shirt year, just getting more & more every year. All his competition is coming in the same year and will be there for 4 years.
This worries me that you ask this question. Having second thoughts on sons decision? I must ask why you would ask this question. Reason I ask is I don't see his competition going away after red shirt year, just getting more & more every year. All his competition is coming in the same year and will be there for 4 years.
Texas Crude
Some kids want to at a certain school==it also gets them to know their team mates and coaching staff
It also shows the coach you want to stay with them and then they can work with you in their "system" for a year
Some kids want to at a certain school==it also gets them to know their team mates and coaching staff
It also shows the coach you want to stay with them and then they can work with you in their "system" for a year
Some of the players are at their chosen schools for academic reasons.quote:Originally posted by Texas Crude:
Barring that a player wasn't redshirted due to injury, would'nt a player be better off playing in JUCO than being Redshirted at Div 1 or Div 2?
There are some good JUCO baseball programs.
I used to be a big proponant for a redshirt year as a freshman (the players decision), especially at the larger D1 programs.
Barring redshirt from injury (medical waiver) for top players on the roster, I have not seen too many redshirt freshman get anymore playing time than they would have if they had not reshirted for reasons of getting stronger and more physically mature (which is often the coach's reason, besides over recruiting). Most of the time the player has no choice, those that have the choice should think about the pros and cons seriously before they make the decision. I do beleive (unless for injury) it places one behind in development. Yes you can work out and practice with the team, but in spring, practices can be almost nil with a 5 day schedule and if your team travels, you miss practice on the road. Also if a redshirt year is discussed, make sure the coach will offer you an opportunity to play on a summer league, as you will need that playing time to compete the following fall.
Two pitchers that I know of took redshirt years (their decision) and both experienced injuries after that and not able to take medical waivers. Their roles have been very limited almost nothing. The freshman and sophmore players are surpassing them in appearances. How long does a coach keep a player on the roster that is not making an impact now having a 35 max roster and scholarship limitations?
When considering this option, or thinking that one might attend a larger program and take a redshirt, watch larger college rosters, very rarely in the large programs (or many programs) will you spot a RS senior that is making a huge impact for his team. Occassionally it happens but not too often. I know of one RS senior who remained on the team and was an impact player cut to 1000K a semester. He had to take a significant loan for his 5th year (remember you must take minimum 12 credits). That was back when there were no $$ limits. Would the coach have kept him if the had to offer 25%, maybe, maybe not.
I know that some will disagree with my opinion, but I really feel that after watching college rosters for about 5-6 years, the new max roster, and scholarship rules, the redshirt option (not medical waiver) may not be in a players best interest.
Barring redshirt from injury (medical waiver) for top players on the roster, I have not seen too many redshirt freshman get anymore playing time than they would have if they had not reshirted for reasons of getting stronger and more physically mature (which is often the coach's reason, besides over recruiting). Most of the time the player has no choice, those that have the choice should think about the pros and cons seriously before they make the decision. I do beleive (unless for injury) it places one behind in development. Yes you can work out and practice with the team, but in spring, practices can be almost nil with a 5 day schedule and if your team travels, you miss practice on the road. Also if a redshirt year is discussed, make sure the coach will offer you an opportunity to play on a summer league, as you will need that playing time to compete the following fall.
Two pitchers that I know of took redshirt years (their decision) and both experienced injuries after that and not able to take medical waivers. Their roles have been very limited almost nothing. The freshman and sophmore players are surpassing them in appearances. How long does a coach keep a player on the roster that is not making an impact now having a 35 max roster and scholarship limitations?
When considering this option, or thinking that one might attend a larger program and take a redshirt, watch larger college rosters, very rarely in the large programs (or many programs) will you spot a RS senior that is making a huge impact for his team. Occassionally it happens but not too often. I know of one RS senior who remained on the team and was an impact player cut to 1000K a semester. He had to take a significant loan for his 5th year (remember you must take minimum 12 credits). That was back when there were no $$ limits. Would the coach have kept him if the had to offer 25%, maybe, maybe not.
I know that some will disagree with my opinion, but I really feel that after watching college rosters for about 5-6 years, the new max roster, and scholarship rules, the redshirt option (not medical waiver) may not be in a players best interest.
IMO,redshirting may be the best thing that can happen to the average freshman player. Reality and numbers indicate that very few players go on to play after their college years. Reality shows that it takes more than 4 years to get your degree, and reality says that many incomming freshman are not mentally, physically, or academically ready to play D1 college ball in their first year. With that knowledge in hand, a redshirt gives the player the opportunity to acclimate yourself to a full college season, work toward "academic greatness", and be involved with college baseball for 5 years.
rz1
Amen to that!!!
TPM
as one who has been looking at college rosters for better than 15 years I respectfully must disagree with you
Amen to that!!!
TPM
as one who has been looking at college rosters for better than 15 years I respectfully must disagree with you
quote:Originally posted by rz1:
IMO,redshirting may be the best thing that can happen to the average freshman player. Reality and numbers indicate that very few players go on to play after their college years. Reality shows that it takes more than 4 years to get your degree, and reality says that many incomming freshman are not mentally, physically, or academically ready to play D1 college ball in their first year. With that knowledge in hand, a redshirt gives the player the opportunity to acclimate yourself to a full college season, work toward "academic greatness", and be involved with college baseball for 5 years.
Going on this premiss, would it be better to go to a Junior College first where you will get more one on one time with a Professor and then transfer to a 4 year school?
quote:Originally posted by rz1:
IMO,redshirting may be the best thing that can happen to the average freshman player. Reality and numbers indicate that very few players go on to play after their college years. Reality shows that it takes more than 4 years to get your degree, and reality says that many incomming freshman are not mentally, physically, or academically ready to play D1 college ball in their first year. With that knowledge in hand, a redshirt gives the player the opportunity to acclimate yourself to a full college season, work toward "academic greatness", and be involved with college baseball for 5 years.
But you have to do everything the other players do so I don't see the real point. You have to travel, practice, and work your butt off just like the other fellas. I would say that you don't have the pressure of performing so if you want to make that argument, I'll agree to that. Players that play sports in college are statistically the one's who take longer than 8 semesters (at least that's what a scout told me)
At my sons school the redshirts did not did not travel to all games, but did dress for home games.
The pressures of school and baseball is the main reason for college academic failure so why not remove some of those pressures?
Would a player rather ride the bench for that first year or potentially be an important cog in the 5th year?
Statistically
I think a majority of all students do not get a degree in 4 years.
The pressures of school and baseball is the main reason for college academic failure so why not remove some of those pressures?
Would a player rather ride the bench for that first year or potentially be an important cog in the 5th year?
Statistically
I did mention top D1 schools and I used to beleive the same.
15 years is a long long time ago, when coaches could
give out book money only and split up a roster of 40+ with 11.7 or have numerous walk ons and redshirt 4-5. It's now 2008. The rules have changed drastically. It will still continue in the other divisions with no roster limits and where the division gives NO athletic scholarships.
Did you also know that a D1 program can only give as many redshirts as they gave the previous year? So if a program redshirted 1 last year, he can only redshirt one the next year? Don't go on the premise, when making a decision, that if you are not able to play, you will automatically get that 5th year option.
If this is such a good thing, show me a top college roster where there are many RS seniors. Show me a D1 roster that competes where there are more seniors than other players.
How many D1 redshirts will you find now on a 35 man D1 roster (not medical)? Even if taken a redshirt, this still puts you behind when the freshman arrive next fall. Why be average and sit out on a top team when you can be a player on another team?
There are many who make decisions or have in the past because they just want to wear the uni and the coach was more than willing to give them one, not anymore. If a player doesn't care, that's fine, but tell me how many that go onto play college ball DON'T care, then you have a case.
15 years is a long long time ago, when coaches could
give out book money only and split up a roster of 40+ with 11.7 or have numerous walk ons and redshirt 4-5. It's now 2008. The rules have changed drastically. It will still continue in the other divisions with no roster limits and where the division gives NO athletic scholarships.
Did you also know that a D1 program can only give as many redshirts as they gave the previous year? So if a program redshirted 1 last year, he can only redshirt one the next year? Don't go on the premise, when making a decision, that if you are not able to play, you will automatically get that 5th year option.
If this is such a good thing, show me a top college roster where there are many RS seniors. Show me a D1 roster that competes where there are more seniors than other players.
How many D1 redshirts will you find now on a 35 man D1 roster (not medical)? Even if taken a redshirt, this still puts you behind when the freshman arrive next fall. Why be average and sit out on a top team when you can be a player on another team?
There are many who make decisions or have in the past because they just want to wear the uni and the coach was more than willing to give them one, not anymore. If a player doesn't care, that's fine, but tell me how many that go onto play college ball DON'T care, then you have a case.
IMO,
Playing is the most important ingredient in development.
The only real good reason for redshirting is injury.
Anyone else who spends a freshman redshirt year has made the wrong choice of schools.
Of course, there can be many other reasons involved in why someone redshirts. And there are many reasons for attending a certain school. But, if playing baseball and continuing to develop with hopes of making it to the next level are important to a player, (excluding injury) the redshirt year is a negative.
Yes, several have overcome that negative in the past, but I'm "guessing" the freshman redshirt year (excluding injury) has hurt many more players than it has helped.
Playing is the most important ingredient in development.
The only real good reason for redshirting is injury.
Anyone else who spends a freshman redshirt year has made the wrong choice of schools.
Of course, there can be many other reasons involved in why someone redshirts. And there are many reasons for attending a certain school. But, if playing baseball and continuing to develop with hopes of making it to the next level are important to a player, (excluding injury) the redshirt year is a negative.
Yes, several have overcome that negative in the past, but I'm "guessing" the freshman redshirt year (excluding injury) has hurt many more players than it has helped.
PG,
JMO, if a player is struggling academically due to the demands of the program, he didn't belong there in the first place. He bit off more than he could handle.
JMO, if a player is struggling academically due to the demands of the program, he didn't belong there in the first place. He bit off more than he could handle.
PGStaff
I respectfully disagree if you are a college player with limited pro potential and wanting to get his degree with the slim hope of a pro situation---been there done that with my guy
What it did for him was give him a year to get 32 credits taken care of so he need to only take the 12 minimum in the spring semester and he started the next 4 years---it helped him tremendously in the classroom and on the field and gave the 17 year old a chance to mature a bit more physically
TPM
Yes it is a long time ago but I have the big advantage of comparing then to now which I think is a great plus and I am talking as a parent
As for your assessment about being in the wrong place, the player in question, my son, went to college with a 2.2 GPA from HS and graduated with a 2.7 GPA and his degree in Hotel Management and Tourism-- was that the wrong place for him ?---I think not--the redshirt year served him very well
I respectfully disagree if you are a college player with limited pro potential and wanting to get his degree with the slim hope of a pro situation---been there done that with my guy
What it did for him was give him a year to get 32 credits taken care of so he need to only take the 12 minimum in the spring semester and he started the next 4 years---it helped him tremendously in the classroom and on the field and gave the 17 year old a chance to mature a bit more physically
TPM
Yes it is a long time ago but I have the big advantage of comparing then to now which I think is a great plus and I am talking as a parent
As for your assessment about being in the wrong place, the player in question, my son, went to college with a 2.2 GPA from HS and graduated with a 2.7 GPA and his degree in Hotel Management and Tourism-- was that the wrong place for him ?---I think not--the redshirt year served him very well
With the new transfer rule, a player who redshirts and then transfers, now gives up 2 years of his eligibility. I just don't see how the risk equals the reward.
quote:If this is such a good thing, show me a top college roster where there are many RS seniors.
You cannot use the "top programs" as your litmus when doing comparisons as it leads to poor sampling. For every 1 top 25 team there are 10 others that do not fall into that catagory and as you drop out of the "top program" catagory there are fewer and fewer draftable players thus creating a HUGE group of players where college will be their last sniff of "competitive" baseball.
quote:Originally posted by CPLZ:
With the new transfer rule, a player who redshirts and then transfers, now gives up 2 years of his eligibility. I just don't see how the risk equals the reward.
My question now is .....
From a coaches perspective: Why does a coach redshirt players if it's going to hurt the player?
quote:pg quote:
But, if playing baseball and continuing to develop with hopes of making it to the next level are important to a player, (excluding injury) the redshirt year is a negative.
I agree completely, but what realistic percent of all incomming Freshman fall into the catagory of "pro prospect"?
and
What playing time is there on the bench?
I may be wrong but I do beleive what I got out of the post that the original posters son went to a top program in the country and now sitting a redshirt year. Was that school ultimately teh right fit?
If you go back to my original post, I began with my opinions redshirting at top D1 programs, which happens. But why redshirt at a large school when you can play at a smaller one?
CPLZ brings up a great point, if one redshirts and then wants to transfer, he is 2 years behind and I appreciate the reminder of the new sit out rule.
Regardless of future goals, it really doesn't matter regarding whether the player wants to go to the next level. Baseball players want to play, all of them top prospects to the average player. You sit one year at any level and you have put yourself at a disadvantage.
rz,
There is no benefit sitting on the bench, redshirt or not. Make a wise decision.
If you find yourself in that situation, unless it is for a medical condition don't chose that option. You just might find your way into the lineup regardless. If you want to play. Last year due to injuries, we had freshman who played more than any freshman year and now seasoned players.
Again, go where you will play and have academic success.
If you go back to my original post, I began with my opinions redshirting at top D1 programs, which happens. But why redshirt at a large school when you can play at a smaller one?
CPLZ brings up a great point, if one redshirts and then wants to transfer, he is 2 years behind and I appreciate the reminder of the new sit out rule.
Regardless of future goals, it really doesn't matter regarding whether the player wants to go to the next level. Baseball players want to play, all of them top prospects to the average player. You sit one year at any level and you have put yourself at a disadvantage.
rz,
There is no benefit sitting on the bench, redshirt or not. Make a wise decision.
If you find yourself in that situation, unless it is for a medical condition don't chose that option. You just might find your way into the lineup regardless. If you want to play. Last year due to injuries, we had freshman who played more than any freshman year and now seasoned players.
Again, go where you will play and have academic success.
I think this is a complicated question and perhaps no one size fits all answer out there. I tend to agree with PG but am aware of players who have had some success at the next level after getting drafted as 5th year seniors.
I think it is easier for pitchers to develop when redshirting. They can continue to throw bullpens at least.
Hitters lose all their opportunities with live pitching and batting practice as that time all goes to the guys on the roster. A redshirt hitter is relegated to catching ground balls during home bp if they are an infielder or shagging them in the outfield. It can be quite painful for the ballplayer mentally to redshirt and they may have that nagging feeling they will be recruited over the next year.
Knowing what I know now, I would advise a kid to look elsewhere if the topic of redshirting comes up during the recruiting phase.
Go back to the key words that are used by most coaches to signal their opinion. If they say you are an immediate impact player, you will play in all liklihood. If they hem and haw about redshirt possibilities or how you might fit in, then you might want to find someplace that holds you in higher esteem imho.
On the other hand, there is risk in life. Some kids are willing to roll the dice and go out there and compete for a spot come fall of their freshman year. I can't say that type of player is necessarily making a mistake either. Some kids are more competitive than others and have a higher tolerance for risk. These are obviously very personal decisions.
On final thought. I have seen many parents who have posted here suggest that it may not have been a bad thing for their kids to redshirt. Some kids got less than 10-20 ab's or pitched less than 10 innings as freshman yet they gave up a year of eligibility just to say they made the traveling squad. Many feel this type of limited opportunity would have been better served via redshirt.
I think it is easier for pitchers to develop when redshirting. They can continue to throw bullpens at least.
Hitters lose all their opportunities with live pitching and batting practice as that time all goes to the guys on the roster. A redshirt hitter is relegated to catching ground balls during home bp if they are an infielder or shagging them in the outfield. It can be quite painful for the ballplayer mentally to redshirt and they may have that nagging feeling they will be recruited over the next year.
Knowing what I know now, I would advise a kid to look elsewhere if the topic of redshirting comes up during the recruiting phase.
Go back to the key words that are used by most coaches to signal their opinion. If they say you are an immediate impact player, you will play in all liklihood. If they hem and haw about redshirt possibilities or how you might fit in, then you might want to find someplace that holds you in higher esteem imho.
On the other hand, there is risk in life. Some kids are willing to roll the dice and go out there and compete for a spot come fall of their freshman year. I can't say that type of player is necessarily making a mistake either. Some kids are more competitive than others and have a higher tolerance for risk. These are obviously very personal decisions.
On final thought. I have seen many parents who have posted here suggest that it may not have been a bad thing for their kids to redshirt. Some kids got less than 10-20 ab's or pitched less than 10 innings as freshman yet they gave up a year of eligibility just to say they made the traveling squad. Many feel this type of limited opportunity would have been better served via redshirt.
quote:quote: by rz1
I agree completely, but what realistic percent of incomming Freshman fall into the catagory of "pro prospect"?
rz1,
We know what the real percentages are, but I would guess that most of the recruited freshman attending DI colleges want the opportunity for that to happen.
I guess for those who have no interest in pro baseball, redshirting is fine... maybe even good for some.
It's just that it seems like there have been so many redshirted as a freshman, only to set as a soph (RS Freshman) watching a true freshman play their position. At this point (if baseball is very important) it looks like transfer time. The rules don't make that a very attractive idea now days. And that's without even looking at the possibility of injury after the freshman year.
It's possible and has happened that the redshirt freshman never plays a game in college. Not that that's the end of the world or anything.
TR,
15 years ago players wern't using the college experience to get to the next level as much as they are now. More and more college players are drafted, two year, four year.
Things have even changed drastically since my son went to school, it's hard to even compare that to today's environment on college rosters.
As far as coaches redshirting if it's bad for the player, not sure if all coaches really care. What do you do with 40 on your roster, you redshirt the NLI players. Why did you take 40 to begin with? Why not set your roster to next year's max. If it's because you expect players to leave, then those who will be teh future, need to play too. JMO.
15 years ago players wern't using the college experience to get to the next level as much as they are now. More and more college players are drafted, two year, four year.
Things have even changed drastically since my son went to school, it's hard to even compare that to today's environment on college rosters.
As far as coaches redshirting if it's bad for the player, not sure if all coaches really care. What do you do with 40 on your roster, you redshirt the NLI players. Why did you take 40 to begin with? Why not set your roster to next year's max. If it's because you expect players to leave, then those who will be teh future, need to play too. JMO.
quote:tpm quote:
There is no benefit sitting on the bench, redshirt or not. Make a wise decision.
If you find yourself in that situation, unless it is for a medical condition don't chose that option
I checked on ebay and could not find any crystal balls. I think your thoughts are based on a hindsite mentality.
While sitting in the living room trying to recruit a player how many coaches are going to say "We're going to redshirt you the first year" In most cases that would be the end of that school option IMHO.
Many times redshirting a player is not decided until the season is in progress. Is there a date that a redshirt status has to be placed on a player?
Daniel Moskos put in 16 innings his frosh year, did he blow his eligibilty? No, he got in some valuable time even in 16 innings as a reliever.
Pitchers need playing time just as much as position players, who wants to throw bullpens every other day for a year? Freshman pitchers can acomplish just as much if not even more getting in mound time as relievers to prepare for their role the following year. All freshman have an opportunity to play, especially in programs where the teams score dominate. However, there are some caoches who still won't put in relievers because they want the blowout or shutout game to go with their ego. That's when you use your young players, that's when you give them playing time. JMO.
Pitchers need playing time just as much as position players, who wants to throw bullpens every other day for a year? Freshman pitchers can acomplish just as much if not even more getting in mound time as relievers to prepare for their role the following year. All freshman have an opportunity to play, especially in programs where the teams score dominate. However, there are some caoches who still won't put in relievers because they want the blowout or shutout game to go with their ego. That's when you use your young players, that's when you give them playing time. JMO.
Just out of curiousity... I'm sure there have been some, but does anyone know of a player who was redshirted as a freshman (non medical) and was later drafted out of that same school? Could we have his name?
It would be very interesting if somehow someone could research all redshirt (non-medical) freshman and chart what happened to them afterwards.
It would be very interesting if somehow someone could research all redshirt (non-medical) freshman and chart what happened to them afterwards.
quote:Just out of curiousity... I'm sure there have been some, but does anyone know of a player who was redshirted as a freshman (non medical) and was later drafted out of that same school? Could we have his name?
The one that comes to mind from my son's school is Brandon Powell who redshirted as a freshman and it was non-medical. He was drafted in the 8th round by KC as a 5th year senior and has made it as high as Triple A thus far. He was also drafted as a rule 5 minor league player.
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WOW!
Not sure how Ya'll can make such blanket negative statement about redshirting(ed) players...My god....one the most blantantly negative...everybody bought in threads I've seen.
Now while I'm certain biased...Comon' guys! Every player brings different skills and sensibilities to the table. Every situation is different. Not sure you can uniformly condem every player who has redshirted as being mistaken, foolish or doomed...Geeze.
Going on the offensive...I'd say this simply a sign of where we have come in youth sports and as a society...it is no longer about development, or big picture or delayed gratification, or the value of work ethic and patience, or faith and self belief, or working hard to acheive gaols over long periods of time...all things we ALL profess to belive in and claim that we value and our nation is founded on...
...No, It is now all about instant gratification, If I don't play now, I never will and there is something wrong. There is NO other way. I'd love to tie this into the Dot Com boom, or the real estate bubble...but I'll refrain.
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WOW!
Not sure how Ya'll can make such blanket negative statement about redshirting(ed) players...My god....one the most blantantly negative...everybody bought in threads I've seen.
Now while I'm certain biased...Comon' guys! Every player brings different skills and sensibilities to the table. Every situation is different. Not sure you can uniformly condem every player who has redshirted as being mistaken, foolish or doomed...Geeze.
Going on the offensive...I'd say this simply a sign of where we have come in youth sports and as a society...it is no longer about development, or big picture or delayed gratification, or the value of work ethic and patience, or faith and self belief, or working hard to acheive gaols over long periods of time...all things we ALL profess to belive in and claim that we value and our nation is founded on...
...No, It is now all about instant gratification, If I don't play now, I never will and there is something wrong. There is NO other way. I'd love to tie this into the Dot Com boom, or the real estate bubble...but I'll refrain.
44.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
PGStaff
I respectfully disagree if you are a college player with limited pro potential and wanting to get his degree with the slim hope of a pro situation---been there done that with my guy
What it did for him was give him a year to get 32 credits taken care of so he need to only take the 12 minimum in the spring semester and he started the next 4 years---it helped him tremendously in the classroom and on the field and gave the 17 year old a chance to mature a bit more physically
TPM
Yes it is a long time ago but I have the big advantage of comparing then to now which I think is a great plus and I am talking as a parent
As for your assessment about being in the wrong place, the player in question, my son, went to college with a 2.2 GPA from HS and graduated with a 2.7 GPA and his degree in Hotel Management and Tourism-- was that the wrong place for him ?---I think not--the redshirt year served him very well
I have 2 questions. Did he play much, & did he get a real high end job after graduating?
quote:This worries me that you ask this question. Having second thoughts on sons decision? I must ask why you would ask this question. Reason I ask is I don't see his competition going away after red shirt year, just getting more & more every year. All his competition is coming in the same year and will be there for 4 years.
Wildcatman
No 2nd thoughts at all. Why should I have any?
I'm not worried, therefore you should not worry (whoever you are). The question was asked to me by my wife "what does redshirt freshman mean"? I told her what it meant and she asked what are some reasons for redshirting is. Hence this topic.
wildcatman
Yes he played as a starter the next 4 years and had a job waiting at the Breakers in West Palm Beach, Fl when he came out---also had an offer to sign as a free agent when he came out
Not bad for a redshirt freshman is it ?
Yes he played as a starter the next 4 years and had a job waiting at the Breakers in West Palm Beach, Fl when he came out---also had an offer to sign as a free agent when he came out
Not bad for a redshirt freshman is it ?
The problem I see here is; You have some people that use baseball to pay for some of their education and kind of like to play baseball don't really mind sitting & are a mid level player anyway ( o.k. to redshirt), and the other is people that love to play baseball & are great players with good potential and use college as a hopeful stepping stone to advance their baseball career and maybe also get some kind of education (for these bad idea to redshirt-go somewhere else to get chance to play-JUCO maybe).
TPM-The original poster son has committied to major D-1 for next year.
TPM-The original poster son has committied to major D-1 for next year.
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
Daniel Moskos put in 16 innings his frosh year, did he blow his eligibilty? No, he got in some valuable time even in 16 innings as a reliever.
I'm wrong again. I guess every Freshman has the same tools as Daniel Moskos did as a Freshman. Or, maybe there was a promise made to the Daniel Moskos family that he would not be redshirted
Pitchers need playing time just as much as position players, who wants to throw bullpens every other day for a year?
Who pitches live bp during the season? Not the guys in the starting or reliever rotation
Freshman pitchers can acomplish just as much if not even more getting in mound time as relievers to prepare for their role the following year.
Coaches also have to think about the future of their team, and not just seeing that a player gets an inning here and there. I'll many coaches are proactive and use their rerdshirts as a barometer on how the following recruiting seasons will pan out
However, there are some caoches who still won't put in relievers because they want the blowout or shutout game to go with their ego.
Is this from 1x1 experience talking to coaches or just a guess? I give you that a few might, but very few when looking at the big picture. I'll bet that more often they reach to those freshman when the bullpen is taxed and they are looking to rest players versus giving the young guys experience.
quote:I may be wrong but I do beleive what I got out of the post that the original posters son went to a top program in the country and now sitting a redshirt year. Was that school ultimately teh right fit?
If you go back to my original post, I began with my opinions redshirting at top D1 programs, which happens. But why redshirt at a large school when you can play at a smaller one?
sorry TPM mom. You are wrong. Next year is his freshman year and we are not worried about him redshirting. I was simply asking what would be some reasons for it.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
wildcatman
Yes he played as a starter the next 4 years and had a job waiting at the Breakers in West Palm Beach, Fl when he came out---also had an offer to sign as a free agent when he came out
Not bad for a redshirt freshman is it ?
Not bad at all-actually pretty awesome. Congratulations and I am really glad that was the answer.
OB,
I can speak for myself, I was stating my opinion and opinions do not always have to be positive, correct?
Do you know that many AD's at d1 programs are telling their coaches, NO MORE 5 YEAR SCHOLARSHIPS.
I didn't bring up the pro aspect in my original post because most college players don't go onto play proball.
If it's because the player wants to get in 4 years of playing in 5, with their degree only as their goal as many have done (and nothing wrong with that) it's not going to be done as it used to be.It will be 3 years of playing in 4.
If the player is interested in pursuing a pro career, redshirt seniors will still get drafted but have NO leverage and now are older players. The redshirt player, who wants to play pro ball has to look towards his redshirt junior year for leverage and now only has 2 years to compete. He better be talent wise above those who are not redshirted players. This does not include those that have to take medical waivers, that's a whole different issue.
Josh Cribb, redshirt senior, drafted 8th round out of Clemson. He and Doug Hogan, I do beleive will be the last of the healthy redshirts at clemson.
My opinions are also based on what I always beleive and stated, go where you will play, not where you will sit, regardless of where it is.
I can speak for myself, I was stating my opinion and opinions do not always have to be positive, correct?
Do you know that many AD's at d1 programs are telling their coaches, NO MORE 5 YEAR SCHOLARSHIPS.
I didn't bring up the pro aspect in my original post because most college players don't go onto play proball.
If it's because the player wants to get in 4 years of playing in 5, with their degree only as their goal as many have done (and nothing wrong with that) it's not going to be done as it used to be.It will be 3 years of playing in 4.
If the player is interested in pursuing a pro career, redshirt seniors will still get drafted but have NO leverage and now are older players. The redshirt player, who wants to play pro ball has to look towards his redshirt junior year for leverage and now only has 2 years to compete. He better be talent wise above those who are not redshirted players. This does not include those that have to take medical waivers, that's a whole different issue.
Josh Cribb, redshirt senior, drafted 8th round out of Clemson. He and Doug Hogan, I do beleive will be the last of the healthy redshirts at clemson.
My opinions are also based on what I always beleive and stated, go where you will play, not where you will sit, regardless of where it is.
quote:Originally posted by txbb6:quote:I may be wrong but I do beleive what I got out of the post that the original posters son went to a top program in the country and now sitting a redshirt year. Was that school ultimately teh right fit?
If you go back to my original post, I began with my opinions redshirting at top D1 programs, which happens. But why redshirt at a large school when you can play at a smaller one?
sorry TPM mom. You are wrong. Next year is his freshman year and we are not worried about him redshirting. I was simply asking what would be some reasons for it.
I apologize, but may I ask, why would you even think of it before he has even set foot on campus?
quote:I apologize, but may I ask, why would you even think of it before he has even set foot on campus?
no apology necessary. Again, my wife asked me what it meant so I told her. Then she asked why would anyone redshirt and other than medical redshirt. I had no clue so I asked it here. I have no reason to think at all that he will be redshirted.