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Sorry to have offended you TR--My post WAS meant as a little sarcasm and humor and was not questioning your "music field" background. It was about my feelings that "Rap" should not be used in the same sentence with music-just my opinion.

By the way, I read and comprehend very well, your quote:

"When you have a background in the music field and you currently are coaching HS kids on trips you somehow know what the MUSIC is all about, who is who and what is what."

It seems as though you consider it music and I do not. Nothing to get worked up over.
Will keep my weak attempt at humor to myself.

CADAD, Thanks.
Role Models? Baseball role model. Life role model. To me Pete Rose played the game in a manner I wanted to play the game like. Did I want to live my life like he did because he played the game like I thought it should be played? I live my life in a manner that I hope will inspire my children. I am honest and dependable and try my best to treat others the way I would like to be treated. I pay my bills on time and keep my word even when I dont want to. I attack each day with a vengence. I treat women with the utmost respect that they deserve. I treat elders with the utmost respect that they deserve. Whatever I do I give my very best. I never quit I never complain about things that I can work to change for the better. When I make a mistake I own up to it. When I am right I stand up for it regardless of wether or not it is an unpopular posistion. We apply these same principles to the game of baseball because this is who we are. We dont change because we are playing a game. If my kids admire a player because of his talent or the way he plays the game thats fine with me. But if they are looking for them to be their role model then I have not done a good job of giving them one right here at home. JMO
Coach May, Nice post.
I never really thought about role models with my son. He did have posters of Michael Jordon, Barry Bonds, Cal Ripkin Jr, and Mark McGuire on his bedroom wall but I always felt as if those were just sports figures that were setting the athletic bar to a higher level. They had no “role” in my son developing into the “person” he is.
This may be a harsh statement but I have always felt role models were only needed if there were voids left by poor parenting. I have referred back to this interview before, so those that remember it bear with me. Here are a few questions that have to do with role models from an interview with my son as a college freshman:


quote:
Q. Who do you try to pattern your game after?
A. Cal Ripken Jr. He always came to the field ready to play. It reminds me that I always need to come to the ballpark everyday ready to play.

Favorite Major League Player
• Cal Ripken Jr

When I played sports as a kid, I pretended to be
• Mark McGwire

Most influential person(s) in my life
• My father


Fungo
I think the words 'role model' are tossed around too loosely without agreement as to their meaning. Coach May's post points out that one can consider an aspect of a person's life a model of that behavior, without suggestng that the whole package is being bought.

It's really just as easy to say that you want to play with Cal Ripken's dedication or Bob Gibson's intensity or whatever, rather than cloud perceptions with a nebulous term like "role model".
Wow, I was wondering what that pain was in my back last night. Smile

My message doesn’t seem too profound but seems to strike a nerve in a couple. I simply say that kids are influenced by a lot of things, both good and bad. If parents believe they are the only source of influence for their kids, they are blind, dumb or simply ignorant.

If that is not correct, then why do companies spend millions on advertising? Then why do kids wear their hat backwards after seeing Ken Griffey do it? Why do girls around the world start showing their belly buttons after Britney makes it popular?

It’s no different then when many of the older crowd was growing up. Did everyone all of sudden come up with the idea of disco dancing. I’d say John Travolta or before him, Elvis may have influenced a few people.

The point is that kids and people in general are influenced by a lot of things in society and not just through people we may typically consider “role models” and the problem is that the influence is not always positive.

It would seem to be that it would be hard to argue with my basic premise since it is easily provable and common sense to most although a couple posters have.

TR writes quite strongly, “I have a bulletin for you--- nobody sells nobody nothing if the parents do their thing in bringing up their kids—“. And the next post was Tasmit saying he agrees 100%.

My respectful reply to them is that I would be quite surprised if everybody couldn’t come up with a story they know of where solid parents had problems with kids that were influenced by others negatively.

As I said in a previous post, ideally we are all superb parents and our kids can look at us as a role model as well as for guidance on tough issues. So let’s just say that the problem is not our kids. So who are all the kids that are doing the drugs, stealing our possessions and having kids out of wedlock and surviving on welfare? Many of these kids don’t have the guidance at home or the inner strength to fend off the negative influences of society. The best many of us can do for these kids is to help clean up society even if it’s only by holding celebrities accountable.

I strongly disagree with some such as TR who say, “it is not a matter of caring-- it is taking care of my "home fires" first not someone I dont even know—“ and “I am not here to save the world-- you can try if you wish but that boat does not have enough oars”.

TR, I am one that believes the boat you write of, does have enough oars, the thing that is lacking are more people to row the boat. We need more people to stand up to the bad influences in society. We need more people to hold celebrities and politicians accountable for their actions. I did just that and am being scorned by a couple of people such as your self for doing it.

I believe parents should know what their kids are listening to and I provided the lyrics from the thug, snoopdog as an example. I think more parents should investigate what their kids are hearing and whom they are supporting by buying it. I would hope all parents would want to keep this filth from their kids.

Bbrulz writes that he doesn’t want anyone telling him or his kids what to listen to and then goes on to throw in a comment relating it to a political and/or religious agenda. He writes, “If I choose not to listen to something, it will be for my reasons not for your political or religious agenda”. A few posts later he writes, “sbk, do you have a list of books you would like to burn as well”?

It never ceases to amaze me how some kinds of people have such a problem with others speaking out against filth. The so-called defenders of free speech are having a problem with those of us enjoying it.

So in ending, I will say that if you believe parents are the only influence upon your kids you are misguided. We all should make our family our first priority. But to stop there would be shortsighted and even selfish. While we cannot wave a magic wand and install positive values in each of these troubled individuals, we can all play a part in helping to reduce the negative influences in society by holding celebrities accountable whether it’s thug rappers or athletes on steroids.

And to TR, who writes, “SBK has overstepped his bounds with me-- either because of ignorance or hatred”.

It definitely has something to do with “Ignorance”.
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If this site is about baseball,then ask me what i have learned, after reading those treads. i think in a way this site "was" kind of a ROLE MODEL to some of us.it's getting shameful in here. can we PLEASE stick with the BASEBALL for the sake of (my) our kids. this is a great place. lets keep it that way, not that anyone will care but there are other sites i can visit. thanks J.H.
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Bbrulz writes that he doesn’t want anyone telling him or his kids what to listen to and then goes on to throw in a comment relating it to a political and/or religious agenda. He writes, “If I choose not to listen to something, it will be for my reasons not for your political or religious agenda”. A few posts later he writes, “sbk, do you have a list of books you would like to burn as well”?

It never ceases to amaze me how some kinds of people have such a problem with others speaking out against filth. The so-called defenders of free speech are having a problem with those of us enjoying it.


Can you explain how me being against censorship shows that I have a problem with your right to free speech? Your post makes no sense. I just do not want you making decisions for me and my family. Pretty simple. Not on books, music or anything else. You don't want it, don't buy it, or turn it off. I raised my family just fine. I neither want nor need your input. You need to make decisions for yourself and leave running others people's lives to them. Feel free to complain though. Just don't become so indignant when not everyone agrees with or needs your guidance.
SBK great post!! However, I do not censor my kids music. Fact of the matter is, if you ask a kid what the lyrics to a particular song are, they probably don't know. They are more concerned with the beat. My daughter drives me nuts with the songs she listens to, mainly because the lyrics are about nothing at all, but it is the dance beat that she wants.
I have no fear whatsoever if my son hears a song that says to waste a cop, that he isn't going to do it!!
Only parents are role models - TR must be one hell of a dad!!!! My son plays multiple sports, is on the National Honor Society, top ten percent of his class, caring, doesn't drink or smoke, etc., but I would be a fool to think it is only because of my wife and I that he is those things.
rbi

Grandparents and Uncles and Aunts have a great deal to do with it in the overall picture as do the immediate circle of family friends.

The " family " is the role model in my view not people outside the family circle-- they may influence them some but they are not "role models" in my eyes.

As for me being "one hell" of a Dad I don't give myself the credit--- talk to MOM --MOM is very much more in the picture of a kids upbringing.

Just my opinion but I believe that the role model isn't some athlete, rock star or a political figure. I am not blaming Sir Charles or any other huge public figure the right or wrong my kids might ever do-- that falls on the parents shoulders

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